Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:24:33 -0700 From: "GK" <Gnopsam; Subject: Re: Saab Scania logo
Sorry, but about the Jag S type- I think it is the worst thing that could have happened to Jaguar- such a beautiful and classy car- the S type looks like a Chrysler- a big rounded American car- To me it cheapens the name- Just my 2 cents- Alex Zepeda wrote in message <37c2feb4.476039nopsam.pacbell.net>... >On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:00:47 GMT, nutmeggernopsameja.com wrote: > > > >>> If Saab (or Volvo, or Jaguar) can make use of >>> the resources made available by a big car company while simultaneously >>> maintaining their bloodlines, then it's a good thing. (Yes, it's a big >>> "if".) >> >>I don't know, I just don't like it, something gets lost. > >Like what? Lucas Electric? :^) > >>Alright, I am not to fond of American Car companies, but I think GM is >>much better than Ford. They don't give the same degree of engineering >>and thought behind their product. Just look at the amount of recalls >>and the stupid reasons for them, well......some have been outright >>dangerous. Ford is number one for recalls. The American car companies >>don't deal with consumer complaints in a timely, fair way and they treat >>their workers like crap. Saab employees seem to be more like a big >>family and they worked well together and Saab takes care of their >>employees much better. > >What about that rash of 9000s that caught fire due to something Saab >supposedly swept under the rug? > >All car companies make recalls. I think this is somewhat to be >expected, especialy when they use newer less tested designs. GM may >have fewer recalls, but that's because their designs (such as that >"wonderful" 3800 V6) are upwards of 20 years old. > >But some of these old designs do suck. Look at the old (K series is >it?) GM trucks with the saddle bag gas tanks, or the Corvair *grin*, >or what about those old GM land yacht wagons from the mid 70s (I want >to say Malibu, but the specific case was a Pontiac model..)? The >exact model names and years escape me, but these have all made >headlines, even recently. Or what about the Audi 4000/5000 automatic >tranny fiasco as trumpeted up by the lovely Consumer Reports. > >>American car companies are obsessed with making a profit at any cost, >>and Saab doesn't seem to do that to me. They research their product >>well, they put driver safety first and the quality of the car speaks for >>itself. > >If you want to argue saftey, I think that complaining about just a >specific automaker or group of automakers isn't really accurate. The >American public is just as much to blame for their lack of interest in >safe cars (until recently). > >It's (AFAIK) illegal to make a car for the American market that will >not start because the seat belts are not being worn. Why? Because >it's too much of a hassle for some people. > >Americans as a whole are just not concerned with auto saftey, and I >think this applies to many other countries too. If there was such a >concern about saftey, side air bags and other such devices would be >standard equipment on all new models now. > >>All you have to do is shut a door on an American vehicle and >>listen to the tinny sound it makes. > >The only thing that manages to rattle and make funny noises on the >Taurus that I drive ('89) is the exhaust system. Time for a new cat? >Sure. Time for a new car? When I find the money. Do I want a Saab? >Yes. Has the Taurus fallen apart? No, not at all. Aside from some >basic wear and tear maintence that hasn't been done (shocks, break >pads, etc), it drives very well, and is indestructable in the parking >lot (the way I park this is a *good* thing). > >> I mean even the grade of plastic they use for the dash and bumpers are >>inferior to cut costs. I haven't seen a Saab around me with a cracked >>dash from the sun like I have American cars. The quality of the glass, the >>leather for the seats are superior. > >Leather seats are evil ;) They may look nice, but in hot weather it >doesn't matter who makes them, they hurt. > >Regardless, look at Jaguar. Sure they've been homogonized quite a >bit. They share parts now with Aston Marton and Lincoln. But look at >the S-Type. I don't care that it shares an engine (or parts of it) >with the Lincoln LS, it *looks* damn nice. Or the XJR. I think Ford >has done an excellent job so far with Jag, and I for one am pleased to >see more Jags around here (sure it makes me jealous, but still). > >You'd have a hard time convincing me that the mid 80s XJ looked nicer >than the new ones. That singular wiper blade was just gross, and >AFAIK not Ford's doing at all. > >>The motors are very good, take a beating and last forever if >>you take care of them. > >Nearly any engine can be made to last quite a while if it's given >proper care. > >- alex -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==-----
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