Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:59:14 GMT From: jtmavnopsametway.com (JTMav) Subject: Re: Saab 9-5 or Volvo S80 ?
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:27:51 GMT, rdollienopsameja.com wrote: You fail to mention that the Volvo can't be had with a manual, while the Saab comes standard with a five speed. I don't think the Volvo is anywhere near as good a handling and performance car as the Aero, that's not to say the T6 isn't a nice car, it's just more of a luxury car than performance, especially without the availabilty of a stick. Personally, I have driven the S80 and I prefer the Saab interior over the Volvo, but that's just taste and opinion nothing factual. As far as the M5 well for that kind of money it should do what it does and then some. The article called the Aero a Swedish version of the M5 but that's just silly. The M5 is an extraordinary car, which you pay mightily for. >jtmav, while it is true that Volvo has adapted many of the same >approaches used by Saab, they are not Saab innovations. > >Regarding the Road & Track review, it is the same one I reference in my >original post. The reviewers found the Aero to be more sporty and that >should be expected given the suspension setup of the Aero and the sub- >par tire option they tested on the T6. As I said earlier, if they used >the same tire option on the T6 that they used when they did their first >review, the T6 would have still remained faster and it would have shown >the exact same stickiness in the corners (both scored .83g on the >skidpad). Instead they tested the T6 with the standard tires for the >Aero comparison which is inconsistent since the Aero is the performance >version of the 9-5 and the T6 should have at least had the performance >tire option (not to mention the more appropriate comparison would have >been a performance S80- the S80 R which isn't out yet). > >Nonetheless, with the options they chose for the T6 they found the Aero >to be more sporty. They also found the T6 to have a better quality >interior (fit and finish and materials) although they said the 9-5 >wasn't shabby either. For what it's worth I think the Aero is more >sporty but neither is a true sports sedan (few sedans are). One could >argue that the power to weight ratio should be better and that the >answer would be a lot more horses ala BMW M5 but I would prefer a few >more horses and significantly less weight for either car to be >considered a true sports sedan. > >Thanks. > >-rdo >russell.ollienopsamnet > >In article <388f2fc4.13584278nopsam.netway.com>, > jtmav wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:19:32 GMT, rdollienopsameja.com wrote: >> >> Check out this month's Road and Track. There is a comparison of the >> 9-5 Aero and the Volvo S-80 T6. Both the reviewers picked the Saab. In >> a nutshell the Saab was a true sports sedan made luxurious and the >> Volvo was a luxury car trying to be sporty. I own both a Saab 9000 CSE >> Turbo and a Volvo V70. The Saab is a superior car both in design and >> overall fit and finish. Volvo has co-opted many of Saab's innovations: >> front wheel drive, turbo charging, heated seats, etc. etc. I like my >> wife's V70 but I LOVE my 9k. I will be taking delivery of a new 9-5 >> Aero someime next month. I can't wait. >> >> Remove the NSP for email >> >Hello, what color is the sky in your world? While we can all espouse >> >opinions and preferences lets be careful about the facts please. For >> >example, the cupholder in the 9-5. Sure it's nifty but it also >blocks >> >some of the ventilation as I recall. By contrast the Volvo S80 has 8 >> >cupholders - some functional some not. >> > >> > >> >Powerful smooth turbo engines - sure after you get past the turbo >lag. >> >Volvo also uses turbos but the turbo lag is much less noticable. In >> >the case of the S80 it is probably because they used two small twin >> >turbo chargers. >> > >> >Ergonomics - both Saab and Volvo excel here. I personally don't care >> >for the boat plane interior design but it is very functional in the >> >Saab. It is also very functional in the Volvo. The S80 has the only >> >safely designed navigation system where the eyes remain on the >horizon >> >and the hands on the wheel to operate the system; it has a dash face >> >angled to mimic the angle used when reading a book; it has a powerful >> >and simple environmental control system due to the large pictogram; >> >etc. etc. >> > >> > >> >Safety - you're really playing with fire here. Saab, Volvo, and >> >Mercedes are all well established safety leaders. The Volvo S80 has >> >the best neck and spine protection ratings ever recorded in rear- >impact >> >crash tests due to the WHIPs anti-whiplash seats (found on all new >> >Volvos). The S80 is also the only car to ever score 5-stars for BOTH >> >front and rear seat passengers in side-impact crash test done by the >> >NHTSA. How can you possibly say the Volvo can't dream of matching >> >Saab's safety? In Europe, the S40 is the only car in its class to >> >score 4-stars in FIA NCAP crash tests. >> > >> > >> >Edgy old-fashioned monster under the skin? Well I know there are >more >> >engine options in other parts of the world but here in the U.S. all >> >Volvos are powered by the same family of modular inline engines Volvo >> >developed with Porsche. Back in 1994, Car and Driver said the Volvo >> >850 Turbo was the fastest mass-produced sedan in the world. Since >that >> >period Volvo has added more horses and torque to their engines. >Their >> >high-pressure turbo cars are all (S70 T5, S80 T6) faster than Saabs. >> >If you are passing Volvos it's because their owners either want to >let >> >you or because they have one of the diminuitive engine options. I can >> >assure you that in the U.S. when a Volvo and a Saab meet, if both >> >drivers are determined to hurry it along it will be the Volvo in the >> >front. >> > >> >Saab has done some nice work with the Viggen and 9-5 Aero. However, >if >> >you read the summary data from Road & Track you will realize that the >> >S80 T6 they tested against the 9-5 Aero didn't have the performance >> >tire option that was used when R&T did their full review of the T6 >> >earlier. In the earlier review, the T6 matched the BMW 540 in the >> >corners (grip) in large part due to the aggressive tires. In the 9-5 >> >Aero comparison the 9-5 did better in part because of tires and in >part >> >because of suspension setup (the Aero is a limited production >> >performance tuned car unlike the T6.) The more appropriate comparison >> >for an Aero would be a S80 R which would feature the same tricked-out >> >suspension approach or at a minimum a T6 with performance tires >(which >> >ties the Aero for grip according to the numbers in R&T). >> > >> >Jeroen, I respect your opinion and preference for the Saab but I did >> >want to give a more fact based comparison which I hope I have done. >> > >> >Thanks. >> > >> >-rdo >> >russell.ollienopsamnet >> > >> >In article <86kl0j$n3p$1nopsamel.civ.utwente.nl>, >> > "Jeroen Lugtenberg" <j.lugtenbergnopsament.utwente.nl> wrote: >> >> Saab is always the better choice certainly when it is compared to >> >aVolvo. >> >> Why, because a Volvo is a car for the great public. Not for a >> >connoisseur >> >> like the Saab driver. When you look at the details of a Saab you >know >> >what I >> >> mean. For example the great design of the cup-holder in the dash of >> >the 9-5 >> >> and it's powerfull smooth turbo-engines. Or the ergonomic >> >> door-handles of the Saab. And of cours it's huge safety, safety of >> >which a >> >> Volvo only can dream. When I drive a Saab and I pass a Volvo, I >> >always smile >> >> and pity the poor man who has made just another wrong choice in his >> >life. I >> >> hope that this is of some help to you! My message; Keep away from >> >Volvo's >> >> because underneath their new rounded skin there's still that edgy >> >> old-fashioned monster of the old days!!!! >> >> >> >> Jeroen >> >> <engine1665nopsamnet> wrote in message >> >news:388db10anopsamws.webzone.net... >> >> > >> >> > I've driven the 9-5 turbo 2.3 auto trans, has lots of turbo lag, >> >otherwise >> >> great >> >> > car with unknown reliability and resale. >> >> > Don >> >> > hanley <fsnmnopsam.com> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >Stephen Dewart wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > >> What do you think? Saab 9-5 or Volvo S80? >> >> > > >> >> > >The last road and track compared the 9-5 areo with the >> >> > >s-80 T6. They liked the 9-5 areo better. They said this >> >> > >9-5 was like a swedish bmw ( drivers car ) while the >> >> > >s-80 was more like a mercedes ( cushy ). >> >> > > >> >> > >dave >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> >Before you buy. >> >> JTMav >> Remove the NSP for email >> > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. JTMav Remove the NSP for email
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