Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 20:33:00 -0700 From: Spuds Velvet <spudsnopsamf.com> Subject: Re: Engine noise 9.5 engines
In article <JsiI6.8263$sk3.2295626nopsamb.telia.net>, karin.altahr-cederbergnopsama.com says... > My my my..... Is this bullshit or what! I turn out 300 hp from my 95 > stationwagon and it givs specs close to those of BMW M5 and even beats the > M5 in some areas. Talking about value for money!! You guys are pathetic when > You talk about some Saturn crappy american car that's supposed to be the > same as a Saab. Are americans ignorant or what? -) You can rebuild almost anything to make it perform. -) I doubt that your car would be legal to drive on the street in the US. I'd like to drive it, and I salute you -- but a 300 HP Saab is a rare beast here. -) Saturn isn't a luxury car. That is exactly my point. GM must put engines into Saturns that are cheap to manufacture. If GM puts the same engine into a Saab that they put into a Saturn; then we have some fair questions to ask them about that engine. -) ... and the Saturn LS Wagon does indeed compare well against the Saab -- the Saab is better, but the Saturn could be "rebuilt" (see my first point, above). Both wagons use the Opel platform. The wagons share the same interior and exterior dimensions. Part count and build quality are comparable, with the Saab showing an edge, but not a whole lot. -) I don't know what GM does in Europe; but here in the US, GM is infamous for taking cheap assemblies and putting them into premium cars. Putting a cheap Opel engine into an expensive Saab is EXACTLY the kind of krap that US Saab owners are leery of. Any American posting to this group could name a half-dozen domestic examples of GM marketing expensive cars that incorporate cheap light-duty assemblies from their economy cars. We extend our collective sympathy to our friends in Europe. x) Chev V8s used in Buicks. x) Midsize Cadillacs built on the old Chev Nova platform. x) Opel light-duty manual transmissions used in midsize Chevs. x) Cadillac Escalade is really a GMC Yukon for $xxxx more. x) Olds Bravada based on the Chev equivalent for $xxxx more. I'd like to read a detailed engineering overview and analysis of the Saab/Opel V6. What kind of service was this engine designed to perform -- can it be used in light trucks? Was it designed to be used in racing vehicles? Is Saab 'remanufacturing' the V6 blocks to improve them, the way they have in the past with the Ford V4 and the triumph L4? Did Saab prepare that Opel engine to handle high revs and turbocharging, or did they just drop it into a 9-5 body? I'd like Saab to provide a candid and *detailed* explanation of what they did to that engine to make it worthy of putting into a Saab. SVelvet
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