Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:19:28 +0000 (UTC) From: "John Wiggins" <jbwigginsnopsamternet.com> Subject: Re: Sensonic gearbox
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C22910.1DAD2FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the comments on my original query. I think DaveHinz's = hits the spot and it is not far off my original thoughts. I had a drive = in this vehicle today with the prospective owner and I was very = impressed with it. It has power, all the extras and a black leather = interior, and 16 or 17 inch wheels. It had a hell of a lot for = UK=A36000. The Saab dealer selling it said that the gearbox and clutch = were standard and the selector and clutch operating mechanism were = different. They mentioned sensors at various points in the link between = the gear stick and the clutch as Dave describes. The gear stick looks = very much like the manual one and it is in the same position. Thanks again. <davehinznopsamcop.net> wrote in message = news:agk1n4$m8pqa$3nopsam34476.news.dfncis.de... Someone who looks an awful lot like Simon Putz = <simon.putznopsamline.de> wrote: > <davehinznopsamcop.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:agiqhd$m8ndj$1nopsam34476.news.dfncis.de... >> >> Yes, the sensonic is exactly *not* what you describe. (I was in a hurry and didn't have time to elaborate when I wrote that) > if i understood correctly, sensonic has kind of contact or something = in the > gearstick, so if it senses movement, it uses a vacuum mechanism to = engage > the clutch and it will disengage it for you when you are in gear.=20 You've just described the Sax-O-Mat clutch that Saab fitted on some of the 2-stroke 95's and 96's in the 1960's, not Sensonic. > to me it > sounds pretty failure-prone.=20 Based on what specific knowledge of how Sensonic works, exactly? The operation of the Sensonic is similar to how the Sax-O-Mat works, in that the gearshift for a manual transmission is moved by the driver, but that the clutch is engaged and disengaged automatically. However, Saab built intelligence into it, so where the Sax-O-Mat used a vacuum booster (similar to a power-brakes booster) to activate the clutch, the Sensonic looks at a number of factors, such as if you're speeding up or slowing down, if you're at wide-open-throttle, and how quickly you're moving the gearshift lever, in order to determine how abruptly to disengage and engage the clutch. Gives you the = benefits of not having to use a clutch pedal, while also giving you the benefit = of being able to choose your own shift points, and the fuel savings of a manual gearbox. I don't know how it behaves in traffic, stop-n-go situations, though. Can anyone comment on that? > i like to have control over stick AND pedals. OK. I'd buy a Sensonic in a second if I could, I guess it comes down to a matter of taste. Apples are *way* better than oranges, by the way. Dave Hinz ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C22910.1DAD2FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for all the comments on my = original query. I=20 think DaveHinz's hits the spot and it is not far off my original = thoughts. I had=20 a drive in this vehicle today with the prospective owner and I was very=20 impressed with it. It has power, all the extras and a black leather = interior,=20 and 16 or 17 inch wheels. It had a hell of a lot for UK=A36000. The Saab = dealer=20 selling it said that the gearbox and clutch were standard and the = selector and=20 clutch operating mechanism were different. They mentioned sensors at = various=20 points in the link between the gear stick and the clutch as Dave = describes. The=20 gear stick looks very much like the manual one and it is in the same=20 position.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks again.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><<A = href=3D"mailto:davehinznopsamcop.net">davehinznopsamcop.net</A>>=20 wrote in message <A=20 = href=3D"news:agk1n4$m8pqa$3nopsam34476.news.dfncis.de">news:agk1n4$m8pqa$3= nopsam34476.news.dfncis.de</A>...</DIV>Someone=20 who looks an awful lot like Simon Putz <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:simon.putznopsamline.de">simon.putznopsamline.de</A>>=20 wrote:<BR><BR><BR>> <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:davehinznopsamcop.net">davehinznopsamcop.net</A>> = schrieb im=20 Newsbeitrag<BR>> <A=20 = href=3D"news:agiqhd$m8ndj$1nopsam34476.news.dfncis.de">news:agiqhd$m8ndj$1= nopsam34476.news.dfncis.de</A>...<BR>>><BR>>>=20 Yes, the sensonic is exactly *not* what you describe.<BR>(I was in a = hurry and=20 didn't have time to elaborate when I wrote that)<BR><BR>> if i = understood=20 correctly, sensonic has kind of contact or something in the<BR>> = gearstick,=20 so if it senses movement, it uses a vacuum mechanism to engage<BR>> = the=20 clutch and it will disengage it for you when you are in gear. = <BR><BR>You've=20 just described the Sax-O-Mat clutch that Saab fitted on some of<BR>the = 2-stroke 95's and 96's in the 1960's, not Sensonic.<BR><BR>> to me=20 it<BR>> sounds pretty failure-prone. <BR><BR>Based on what specific = knowledge of how Sensonic works, exactly?<BR>The operation of the = Sensonic is=20 similar to how the Sax-O-Mat works,<BR>in that the gearshift for a = manual=20 transmission is moved by the<BR>driver, but that the clutch is engaged = and=20 disengaged automatically.<BR>However, Saab built intelligence into it, = so=20 where the Sax-O-Mat used<BR>a vacuum booster (similar to a = power-brakes=20 booster) to activate the<BR>clutch, the Sensonic looks at a number of = factors,=20 such as if you're<BR>speeding up or slowing down, if you're at=20 wide-open-throttle, and<BR>how quickly you're moving the gearshift = lever, in=20 order to determine<BR>how abruptly to disengage and engage the = clutch. =20 Gives you the benefits<BR>of not having to use a clutch pedal, while = also=20 giving you the benefit of<BR>being able to choose your own shift = points, and=20 the fuel savings of a<BR>manual gearbox. I don't know how it = behaves in=20 traffic, stop-n-go<BR>situations, though. Can anyone comment on=20 that?<BR><BR>> i like to have control over stick AND=20 pedals.<BR><BR>OK. I'd buy a Sensonic in a second if I could, I = guess it=20 comes down<BR>to a matter of taste. Apples are *way* better than = oranges, by the<BR>way.<BR><BR>Dave = Hinz<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C22910.1DAD2FE0--
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