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Date: 11 May 2004 12:05:17 GMT
From: Dave Hinz <DaveMay2004nospam-creek.net>
Subject: Re: Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)


On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:29:56 +0200, JP Roberts <1234nospamo.com> wrote: > > (someone wrote, but JP trimmed the address of,) >> SAAB 4 cylinder turbo engines are far more fuel efficient that a BMW 6 of >> similar displacement. > > If you compare equal power engine and you thrash the engine, the BMW will > always give you better mileage, so obviously you know nothing about BMW > engines. I've never seen the word "thrash" in a scientific analysis of engine output and fuel consumption. Perhaps you can point us to, you know, actual data to back up your claim? >> The SAAB (when fitted with a full pressure turbo) also has more peak HP > and >> torque than the BMW. > > And huge lag and less driveability and the BMW would still beat the SAAB on > acceleration, which is what counts. Peak HP won't drive you anywhere. You've never driven a Saab Turbo, have you. "huge lag"? Maybe in 1978... >> Turbo lag is minimized in the SAAB ecopower designs as compared to most >> other turbocharged engines. Ecopower engines are designed specifically to >> provide best performace at relatively low rpms. >> SAAB low pressure turbo engines, which make somewhat lower hp and torque >> than the BMW six have *no* detectable turbolag. > > Audi's 1.8T should not have any detectable turbo lag but I can spot that > easily, now I can't think Saab turbos can be very different. Ah, so you _are_ talking about something you haven't driven. "Well, the engineers at Audi couldn't figure it out, so Saab must not have either"?, is that your thinking? >> All BMW 6 cylinder engines (with the exception of the old ETA 2.7) are all >> designed to spin to much higher rpms to make their power. > > And their torque is way much linear, which makes them better all round. > Their smoothness alone qualifies. Please compare and contrast to, say, the 2.3Liter Turbo engine from Saab. Show your sources. (hint: flat is flat). For extra credit, show the shift points as they relate to the torque curve, per RPM. Dave Hinz

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