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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 04:09:32 +0000
From: Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com>
Subject: Re: SAABillac


Al wrote: > "Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote in message > news:421514C1.DCF7514Enospamail.com... > > Al wrote: > > > >> "Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelationsnospamail.com> wrote in message > >> news:420DB204.9C352864nospamail.com... > >> > > >> > Zebedee wrote: > >> > > >> >> "Bo" <nonospamom> wrote in > >> >> news:1108161054.317459dbd115d034e9756a566f9c3419nospamnews: > >> >> > >> >> > "WhyAsk" <vwincentnospamet> wrote in message > >> >> > news:gWSNd.1297$h06.257262nospamer.newsread.com... > >> >> >> In full production, the new Cadillac could sell 10,000 > >> >> >> units a year, GM sources say. > >> >> > > >> >> > There have to be at least that many idiots in Europe. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> True just look at how many BMWs(aka Idiot Wrappers) they sell. > >> > > >> > Oh come on - BMWs actually are quite nice cars to drive - they don't > >> > baulk at corners and look the part too. > >> > > >> > > >> > Graham > >> > > >> NO NO NO Don't lets do the BMW thread AGAIN! > > > > Oh OK ! I prefer FWD anyway. > > > > > >> As for Cadillacs, I don't think they'll sell more than a few thousand > >> Europe > >> wide. > > > > If that. In Europe, Cadillac is synonymous with US grossness for lack of a > > better description. Lousy styling too. > > > >> European cars are streets ahead of American.....most of them are > >> Japanese creations! > > > > Errrr.... They are ? I know many Japanese manufacturers have factories > > here but > > European cars are well.... European. And Saabs should be Swedish. Who else > > but > > Renault could have come up with the Megane with its funny rear end for > > example > > or Fiat's Multipla - to take a couple of eccentric styling examples. > > Shakin its ass? yuk, I felt that way first too. It's grown on me though. Full marks to Renault for some innovative and distinctive styling I reckon ! Saabs look better though. :-) > and as for the Fiat Frog, my mate owns one. You know > how back in the early seventies 96 owners would flash their headlights at > each other when they passed each other, as in "oh you own one of these ugly > ducklings too" Well Multipla owners are doing it today. Somehow I don't > think Fix It Again Tony cars will ever quite match our beloved marque. Yeah but you're certainly never ever going to get missed in one ! "I'll be the one in the really ugly car waiting for you" - lol. > I take your point with the Japanese quip, but lets be honest Rover wouldn't > exist without Honda. True - but there's a lot of history behind that. If Rover hadn't been forced shotgun style into the BL marriage I wouldn't be surprised if they were still a premier marque. I once had a P6 - 2000 TC and it was a stunning car for its day. How many 1963 designs got 125 bhp from 2 litres on a couple of SUs ( and tons of torque too ) ? > >> BTW do you find those silly English flags flying from French and German > >> built cars irritating? > > > > As I'm not English and loathe football louts - YES especially so ! > > It was a comment to all really, but we are obviously in agreement here. Pleased to hear. I do so hate the Beckingham Palace shit etc. > >> I mean if they're so patriotic, why didn't they buy > >> British in the 70's and save the British car industry? > > > > The answer is called British Leyland. > > > > > >> I'm guessing it's something to do with the Austin Allegro, or the Talbot > >> Alpine! ;-) > > > > Yes to the first. Actually I gather that the Alpine was actually quite > > good. But > > then it was a French design basically. > > > > Graham > > The Alpine, quite good?! Crikey changing gear was like stirring porridge > trying to find lumpy bits!! As for French design, oh dear, as long as you > don't mind the Gaelic shrug when your Renault won't start I guess you can > put up with it. Remember the 80's Renault ad "Renault build a better car" > well here in the UK we're still waiting for them to do just that. There was a Lotus version of the Alpine was there not ? I seem to recall it did well in rallying. I also recall it being quite sought after. Wasn't it the original 'hot hatch' ? I have no personal experience of driving one but I suspect the hot versions were somewhat better. Then again many cars' gearboxes were like stirring porridge in those day ! I guess the standard version wan't the same. Been there done that too. My g/f bought an MG Metro and that was actually a fun car to drive ( loads of fun sometimes ) . You'd barely recognise the similarity with a standard L model though. I reckon current Renaults aren't bad. I got a ( prevous model ) Laguna as an insurance loaner whilst my own vehicle was being fixed as a result of some idiot boy racer chappie's idiotic antics. I was quite taken. Not quick enough though for my liking - even with the 2 litre engine. Nice drive however. Graham

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