Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:21:48 GMT From: Saab Guy <nothingnospamo.com> Subject: Re: Maintain Your Identity - Saab
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:17:56 -0400 Malt_Hound <Malt_Houndnospamm*yahoo.com> wrote: > John B wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:05:12 -0400, Tex <texnospamm101.org> wrote: > > > >>OK..._you_ tell me if I pushed the 9-3 hard enough. On several runs I got > >>it up to 60-65 mph (100 km/h) then, at short distance (less than 40 > >>ft...about 1/2 sec of drive time) and w/o braking (and other runs w/braking > >>but f/higher speeds / & w/& w/o esp), steered it around an object directly > >>in the line of travel. Now, I can't say it was easy doing this maneuvre, > >>but the car definitely followed my command unhesitantly. > >> > > > > > > I took our 2001 9-3 on a drive through some very tight S-curves on a steep > > uphill, under full turbo boost. This resulted in a real wresting match between > > me and the torque steer. Fortunately I won :) I've driven the same thing in a > > 2.5 L 6 cyl BMW Z3 convertible, and found myself with an understeer problem > > (rear wheels breaking free of the road a bit). In both cars, the traction > > control system kicked in. On the whole, I think the BMW has the advantage. It > > definitely would if I had more experience driving RWD cars. > > > > I guess my impression of the 9-3 is that it can easily generate more torque > > than I can control in tight curves (due primarily to torque steer). I bet the > > 9-3 could take the 2.5 Z3 in out-and-out acceleration, which is impressive > > given that the 9-3 is a way heavier car. I don't know what the actual 0-60 time > > of each car is, so this is all utter speculation. > > > > John > > > It is probably not a very fair comparison as the Z3 is a sports car (2 > seat roadster) and the SAAB is a sport sedan, but you do confirm my > assertion about the handling characteristic difference between FWD and RWD. > > Just for fun... from the following web page: > http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html > > The fastest SAABs: > 2000 Saab 9-3 Viggen 6.4 sec > 1999 Saab 9-3 SE Conv. 6.6 (I had a 2000 and I think it was faster) > > The Fastest BMWs: > 2002 BMW M Roadster 4.5 sec > 2002 BMW Z8 4.5 > 2002 BMW M3 4.7 > > A "standard" SAAB sedan: > 1999 Saab 9-3 SE 6.8 sec > 2000 9-5 Aero 7.0 sec > > A "standard" BMW sedan: > 1999 BMW 328i 6.9 sec > 2001 BMW 330i 6.1 sec > 1997 BMW 528i (manual) 6.8 sec > > So, you can see that the BMWs elite cars are far faster. Even with the > turbo vs NA, they are quite close in terms of 0-60 acceleration when you > look at the models that we "mere mortals" might be driving... though my > Z3 does have some pretty good numbers: > > 1997 BMW Z3 2.8L 6.2 sec > > -Fred W Fred, Yea sure, but who the heck wants a BIMMER??? I mean, I can't be associated with that. If I bought one, ALL of my friends would officially call me an *SSHOLE and now I'm like "one of those jerks" out there.. No way..too much of a negative association for me, plus Saab is really starting to get good with the news I have been hearing recently. News that includes the 9-4x, 9-6x and so forth as well as Saab keeping a "Swedish Design Center" in Sweden regardless of a Russelheim factory being used to build Saabs is very motivating! SaabGuy
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