Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:31:18 GMT From: Saab Guy <nothingnospamo.com> Subject: Re: Calling Dexter J, I need to e-mail you the Saabvideo logs
Dexter, That is all good news. I will pass this along to the sys admin for the site :) Thank you! :) I do appreciate your time and help. SG On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:15:33 GMT "Dexter J" <lamealameadingdongnospamlamelame.org> wrote: > Salutations: > > While I don't think I would be quiet as forthright as brother Grunff, I > feel that I should point out that at 500g a month, you don't really have > time *not* to look at your logs. > > I suppose it is of very little passing interest to most normal people like > yourself with real lives more than 25 feet away from a stinking ethernet > jack - but I have better than four years into Radio Free Dexterdyne (my > hobby solution) and all the hoopy things it turns out it can do. > > As you don't know me from Adam, I feel I should also tell you that I've > actually been at this i-net thing since the late 80's here in Canada when > it was still a 300 baud TTL University network us geeks used to pass > French Postcards around on between systems dumps for the chem labs. I'm > not trying to brag or anything - but I want to set some context for the > comments below. > > I fear sir that you are making a mistake that *so many* good basic ideas > for websites make early on. While I may be dead wrong - I'm pretty sure > that less than 30% of your total transfer represents real human beings in > front of a computer at your actual site. > > Don't feel bad though - that was what the whole 'internet bubble' was > really all about anyway. > > So what advise I have provided, which I'm afraid you pretty much have all > of until you can make some time to analyze your own logs and come back > with some deeper questions not normally available through google, is as > posted here so far. > > Now, all that said, please don't feel I'm trying to be rude or that I am > being dismissive of your work. More than most people, I know exactly how > tough (and expensive) it is to get actual honest new content online in the > any context (hobby or professional). > > Which is exactly why I think your content is being piked by the pirates, > most of whom have much better advertising sales staff than you and why I > have been trying to give you some real leads before you throw up your > hands in disgust and walk away from it all. > > All this said - my grandfather never allowed a radio or television in the > house on the deeply held premise that furniture shouldn't speak or sing. > He lived to be 75 on a pack of filterless Craven-A and a pint of Gin a day > all his adult life. > > This internet thing isn't for everyone despite, as I previously mentioned, > the common wisdom that any 6 year can slap up a full on Multi-Media portal > and become the next iTunes without ever really trying. > > Sadly, like most things in life, that is just no longer true - because > several of the 6 year olds have figured out how to hijack other people's > content before the site owners can ever make a profit on it themselves. > > -- > > Radio Free Dexterdyne Top Tune o'be-do-da-day > Martin Sinatra Davis - Me and My Shadow > http://www.dexterdyne.org/888/064.RAM > > all tunes - no cookies no subscription no weather no ads > no news no phone in no sign up required - all the Time > > > On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:12:47 -0300, Saab Guy <nothingnospamo.com> wrote: > > > > > Dexter, > > > > I don't have the time now to read the logs, I thought you were offering > > your time to help given that I have spent approximately 280+ hours to > > create www.saabvideos.com for each respective video for you folks. :) > > > > SG > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:09:25 GMT > > "Dexter J" <lamealameadingdongnospamlamelame.org> wrote: > > > >> Salutations: > >> > >> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:28:56 -0300, Saab Guy <nothingnospamo.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dexter J, > >> > > >> > I need to e-mail you the Saabvideo logs. I just received them from the > >> > system administrator in what seems to be a .gz compressed archive. > >> > > >> > SG > >> > >> Actually - all you need is to pick up compression tool for the file. GZ > >> is > >> a type of zip file that should have your logs inside. Have a poke around > >> here for an app to decompress: > >> > >> http://www.gzip.org/ > >> > >> Once they are decompressed, use a text editor (word wrap off) or spread > >> sheet to review transactions with the server. Here is a fairly good > >> start > >> page regarding how read raw Apache Logs: > >> > >> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/logs.html > >> > >> .. don't worry about the server set-up detail outlined above just yet, > >> you > >> just want to get a handle on visit patterns and from what IP ranges. > >> There > >> is some good detail above on what each item in a given log line means as > >> you scroll down a bit. > >> > >> Most folks wimp out and go for a 'web log analyzer' - I don't recommend > >> them until you at least have enough basic literacy to understand the raw > >> log. The features on most log analyzers make *much* more sense if you > >> understand what they are doing for you. > >> > >> So, very basically, each visit should generate several log lines as each > >> page item is passed to the visitor. You are looking for anomalies in the > >> pattern where the visiting IP *doesn't* read the top page and all it's > >> images first - and/or - repeated visits from the same IP on any kind of > >> schedule - but most importantly - video downloads without any > >> corresponding top page visit. > >> > >> Towards the end of each log entry the 'user agent' is listed. You should > >> see visits from google, yahoo et al (relatively useful bots/slurpers). > >> They usually only take the page text body - but not always. Pay > >> attention > >> to the detail here, because I'm still betting you are seeing a pile of > >> visits from things like Wget, DA, psbot and a bunch of others. Here is a > >> good page for reviewing bots and their place in your universe: > >> > >> http://www.kloth.net/internet/badbots.php > >> > >> Finally - as to tightening up your site security after you figure out > >> what > >> is going on - that unfortunately is where we get back to the question of > >> my per diem and your personal responsibilities as a 'webmaster'. > >> > >> As I have said previously, I don't think it's worth your money to hire > >> me > >> for what is simply a hobby site on a shared server. I dearly wish you > >> had > >> a fat sponsor and it was worth the cash because I like the idea of your > >> site, but I guess the best you are going to be able to do is enough > >> reading to stop the obvious packet leaks like most everyone else. > >> > >> I will again repeat my advise as regards your basic architecture though. > >> > >> You should at least look at a teaser index page with several video > >> specific sub-pages as your top page now runs better than 1.2 megs every > >> time it's viewed without downloading any videos. While you are at it - > >> you > >> might want to look at changing links to specific video's you have > >> already > >> posted out here - it will help you narrow down who is swiping your vids > >> (they will now appear in the error logs as dead link attempts) and it > >> should slow down the transfer totals for a while. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Radio Free Dexterdyne Top Tune o'be-do-da-day > >> Martin Sinatra Davis - Me and My Shadow > >> http://www.dexterdyne.org/888/064.RAM > >> > >> all tunes - no cookies no subscription no weather no ads > >> no news no phone in no sign up required - all the Time
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