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Date: 29 Jan 2006 22:48:03 GMT
From: Dave Hinz <DaveHinznospamcop.net>
Subject: Re: SaabUSA Biopower survey


On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:39:44 GMT, Walt Kienzle <wkienzlenospam.com> wrote: > > "Dave Hinz" <DaveHinznospamcop.net> wrote in message > news:44463eF92s7U1nospamvidual.net... >> OK, so there's a number. yay. I'd call 25% "much", wouldn't you, >> Walt? > No, I wouldn't. Particularly considering those numbers are only for > IMPORTED oil. OK, so you're going on the record that we don't import much oil from arabic countries then? I disagree. > It doesn't factor in what is produced domestically. Even > just looking at imported oil, how can you conclude that 2nd place is in any > way "most". I recall writing "much (most?)". Google agrees. > Or that half of what is imported from other contries in the > Americas "much"? And you should read more closely when you quote me. I > said LESS THAN 25%. Great, then we're well into "much" then. None of which changes my central point, which is that I'd rather give money to farmers, than to countries who are unfriendly to us, Walt. >> Oh, and it's amusing that you say the gummint is keeping it >> secret, and then cite a government site to show it. > The "secret" part wasn't a cliam on my part, it was an inference based on > your prior statement in that you could/didn't come up with any facts to > support your claim. Please don't presume to make my points for me, Walt, it's clear that your misinterpretations make you unqualified to do so. >>> (Year to date, November 2005 - the latest numbers available). Most of >>> the oil imported by the US actually comes from other countries in the >>> Americas. The most comes from North America: Canada and Mexico which >>> provide 33%. South America exports another 17% to the US. Africa >>> contributes 17% and Europe 9%. Your claim hasn't been true since the oil >>> embargo in the 1970's. >> >> My claim is "much (most?)". I stand by it as your numbers have verified >> it. Why the word games, Walt? > > I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Or maybe I am just a stickler > for accuracy. And you're off on a irrelevant nitpick on a side issue. Other than that, great post. >>> I take your point, but it would be better made if you cited fact instead >>> of >>> false cliché's. If you wanted to identify were most of the US oil >>> originates, it would be the Americas, not the Arab world. >> >> You need to work on your reading comprehension before lecturing me on my >> choice of words. > I read just fine and didn't see any substantiation for your claims. Just > bad rhetoric. I stand by my statement that we get "much oil" from unfriendly countries and should work to minimize that. If you choose to imagine that I was somehow making a point about the other things you're responding to that I didn't write, well, maybe you're reading a different thread somewhere else or something. I dunno. >> Now then. Did you have anything of substance on the topic, or is it >> just bullshit and wordgames? Sorry to be blunt, but you're taking me to >> task for what your inaccurate interpretation of my clear statements is, >> not for what I said. > I am taking you to task on false conclusions based on bad and nonexistent > facts. You yourself have confirmed numbers that indicate we get much of our oil from arabic countries. If your argument is "No, Dave, that's a bit, not much", well, count me out of the bullshit wordgames. It's a distraction from the central point of using our own resources. Let's use what we can develop, and stop financing countries unfriendly to us. It's really a pretty simple proposal. Reading into it things that I'm not saying, and then taking me to task for them, says an awful lot more about your points than mine.

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