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I don't know how the subframe connects to
Posted by Noel (# 876) (more from Noel) on Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:00:52
In Reply to: Re: Not sure whether sagging springs produce, steve, Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:11:14

everything else, but I can envision how over-tightening on a transporter and then being hauled for many miles could distort more than the subframe. Then, when a new subframe is installed and the vehicle heavily loaded the other deformed areas still cause the fault.

If it was purely a design/manufacturing issue it would seem that it would be on all cars. Or maybe it is and it only shows up if the car is heavily loaded and driven that way for substantial distances.

There are a bunch of variables here. 9-5 wagons have been on the road since 1998 or '99 so it would seem there would have to be a fair number showing up with this issue if it is a consistent problem. I wonder what percentage of all 9-5 wagons are heavily loaded often enough to show a problem, and what percentage of those have the problem?

If it occurs in only a small percentage of cars, what differentiates those cars from ones not showing the problem? Could it possibly be tracked back to manufacturing? To transporters? To steel for a run of subframes being made below spec? And what would constitute a significant enough percentage to get NTSA involved?

FWIW, Toyota had a serious rust problem with a couple years of one of their pickup truck models. Decided it was their fault. Bought new trucks for the owners. GM/Saab won't do that, but it shows how far <some> companies will go.
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