The banner above is an advertisment - if it asks you to download software, please ignore.
Site News - 7/1: Members: Log In to See Fewer Ads! | 5/28: SAAB Evolutions/TSN T-Shirts $14

[General | Members | C900 | 9000 | NG900 & OG93 | 93 | 95 | NG95 | 99 | Sonett | Vintage Models | Clubs | Other Cars | FAQs | Gifts | Member Photo Galleries | Member Directory | Classifieds | Manuals | *Buddy Registry | *Mileage Registry | Polls | What's New | Raffle | Photo of the Month | Sponsors]

95 Bulletin Board
1999-2009 [Subscribe to Daily Digest]
(Search Author's Posts: e.g. Keyword:username)*Members Only


[Main 95 Bulletin Board | BBFAQ | Prev by Date | Next by Date | Post Followup ] Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos
Re: will T7 negate any high flow air filter gains?
Like This Post: - Subscribe to Daily Digest for this Bulletin Board
Posted by Dean (more from Dean) on Sat, 19 Apr 2003 20:31:47 Share Post by Email
In Reply to: will T7 negate any high flow air filter gains?, Irfan, Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:32:33
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:
Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

The T7 does not boost to a pressure target, so a map-hack will not do anything. It boosts to a mass-air flow target via the MAF. (I can see the wheels turning....)

One can argue that a low restriction filter will not increase power, but by that logic someone could argue that a plugged paper element would not decrease power. A lower restriction filter probably will improve turbo spoolup.

Now a level two analysis. The ECU can boost to air flow targets, but the torque that results is not simply the air mass flow plus fuel. If the turbo has to work harder to overcome a restrictive filter, the wastegate has to be further closed to create more pressure (and more flow) across the exhaust turbine stage. That is backpressure on the engine and that directly robs shaft power. So there is a cost to a restrictive filter. And the compressor is working harder to do this, so the discharge air is hotter and the IC needs to work harder and the IC ouput and combustion air are warmer and less dense, so the pressure need to be higher yet. So, yes a lower restriction filter will provide more power, but not more air flow. Think about that. Also keep in mind for typical OEM turbo applications the exhaust backpressure is often around 2X's the boost pressure. So if the turbo is at 20 PSI because it is hot out, then the exhaust back pressure might be 40 PSI or more. That is a lot. And we have not even talked about the effect that has on volumetric efficiency and the ECU makes the turbo work even harder trying to get to the air mass flow objective. So the pressures and temperature are getting high, the IC is behind the condensor, the charge air is really hot and the mixture goes up to fight the knocking potential at those temperature and the ignition timing is less agressive. That too reduces torque at the target air mass flow objective.

And none of that probably means anything to your V6... sorry, I got carried away. :0



posted by 65.68.100...


Posts in this Thread:
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:
Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup
Post a Followup

No Site Registration is Required to Post - Site Membership is optional (Member Features List), but helps to keep the site online
for all Saabers. If the site helps you, please consider helping the site by becoming a member.

Name: Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos
E-Mail: (Optional)
Re-Enter E-Mail: (Confidential & Secure - Not revealed to other users!)
Note: Please check your spam folder for BB responses.

Subject:

Posting rules are simple - No for sale/wanted ads may be posted here - use the site classifieds.
You may not cross-post your message to multiple BBs.
Not permitted: political/religious topics and being disrespectful (personal attacks, insults, etc...).
Site Members do not see any red text, inline ad links, bottom of page anchor ads, box ads, or anti-spam check.

Message: (please no for sale/wanted classifieds - post those in the Saabnet.com Classifieds)
Links are now automatically made active, no need for any special code (or use the Option Link field below) - don't put links in () or end with a '.'
To add inline images to your post, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] (or use the Optional Image Link field below).


Links are now automatically made active, no need for any special code (or use the Option Link field below) - don't put links in () or end with a '.'
To add inline images to your post above, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] (or use the Optional Image Link field below).

Optional Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/)
Link Title: (Optional)
Optional Photo/Image Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/img.jpg)
Photo/Image to Upload: (Please be patient while file uploads)





StateOfNine.com
SaabClub.com
Jak Stoll Performance
M Car Covers
Ad Available

The content on this site may not be republished without permission. Copyright © 1988-2024 - The Saab Network - saabnet.com.
For usage guidelines, see the Mission & Privacy Notice.
[Contact | Site Map | Saabnet.com on Facebook | Saabnet.com on Twitter | Shop Amazon via TSN | Site Donations]

Random Saabnet.com Member Gallery Photos (Click Image)

This is a moderated bulletin board - Posting is a privilege, not a right. Unsolicited commercial postings are not allowed (no spam). Please, no For Sale or Wanted postings, SERIOUSLY. Classifieds are to be listed in The Saab Network Classifieds pages. This is a problem solving forum for over 250,000 Saab owners, so expect to see problems discussed here even though our cars are generally very reliable. This is not an anything goes type of forum. Saabnet.com has been a moderated forum since 1988. For usage guidelines, see the Saabnet.com Mission and Purpose Page. Please remember that you are not anonymous. Site Contact | Site Donations | Other Sites by SP - Poverty2Prosperity.org | Run Club Menlo Park | ScreenBot



Site Members do not see red text instructions, bottom of the page anchor ads, or box ads.
Click here to see all the Site Membership Benefits!