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I'm willing to pay extra for a stick, even used... Posted by PGAero [Email]  (#1143) [Profile/Gallery]
(more from PGAero) on Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:19:06
In Reply to: That's the market.....04 Arc a stick?, Mike Lynch  [Profile/Gallery]
, Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:06:43
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Hey Mike, how's the Beemer doing... mine is seeing less use, what with the weather and all these days. My wife and took a 100-mile lunch trip last weekend though. Snow forecast for this weekend, so it'll be out of the weather...
Anyway, I won't buy an automatic, period. At least not at this time in my life. When I replace my (5spd) 9000 Aero, I want a 9-5 Aero wagon... and it'll have a stick. Yes, there were something like four ever made for the USA, but I'll wait ;o) I realize that I'm in the minority, but calling a stick shift dubious seems... dubious.
That being said, I don't think that Saab failing to offer stick shifts has anything to do with the results of the study. It's only looking at people who replace a previously-bought-new-car anyway. Not a lot of original owner C900s being traded in on new cars period. And, at least with a Saab you can get a stick shift... If you want one, you can get it.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
**from a previous post***
"I won't argue that modern autos have come a long ways, and I'll admit that I haven't driven a new Saab with an auto either. Both my brothers have VAG cars with autos, a Jetta Wagon w/ 1.8t, and an ['02 A6 Allroad.] Both fun to drive. Autos keep getting better and better. Locking torque converters, adaptive shifting based upon drivers' heavy-footedness (or lack thereof, of course), and increasing numbers of cogs all have helped close the gap.
Now, what about those with no torque converter, like Audi's dual clutch, BMW's SMG (soon to go dual clutch too) and Porsche's Tiptronic? (I drove my neighbor's '07 Carrera equipped with Tiptronic a couple [months] ago... very cool.) From a pure performance stand point, it's hard to argue with millisecond shifts!
However, can I even try to nail that perfect 3-2 double-clutch downshift going into that 30 MPH corner when I get a hankerin' to do so?...No. Can an Audi DSG/BMW SMG/P. Tiptronic/You-name-it do it better or more consistently than I can?... Yes.
Now, can Steve Nash hit free throws or jumpers better and more consistently than I can? Absolutely! But, that doesn't mean I'm going to replace my hoop-shootin' with seat-time watching him do it.
And please, don't go harshin' on my gig here. I realize that the analogy is far from perfect. The point is this: I find deep satisfaction in learning and practicing my skills. One of those happens to be the process of changing gears in a car. From my perspective, great enjoyment can be had in such a small thing as shifting.
95% of the time, I would not miss a stick, but I NEVER wish for an auto. I do have the luxury of living somewhere which does not have traffic. I don't drink coffee on my way to work (I ride my mountain bike more often than I drive). Every road to or from my humble little town is more windy than it is straight. So, driving a stick shift is not a chore in my book... but a pleasure.
Just my $0.02. Here's my "backyard"..."
posted by 75.26.16...
_______________________________________ Current: '03 9-5 Aero Wagon, 5spd, Polar/Black Past: '06 9-5 Combi, AT, Polar/Black '04 9-5 Aero Wagon, AT, Nocturne/Granite '03 9-5 Aero Wagon, AT, Steel/Charcoal '00 9-3 Viggen, 5D, Silver/Black '93 9000 Aero, 5MT, Cirrus/Black (Owned this one twice) '86 900 SPG, 5MT, Edwardian/Buffalo Grey
, Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:48:51
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