The president of an automotive sales and marketing company, has substantial influence into product planning, etc..., especially when said president is representing a particular company's largest market. Ask people who work for BMW NA what level of influence and responsibility Jim McDowell has for guiding the global company and its product decisions and you'll find that is more than significant.

Young and energetic means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Saab needs people who understand product and have a vision beyond kissing dealer's rear ends... Your comments regarding "marketing is marketing" sounds like it's coming from a dealer or the Zarella era at GM...

Bottom line is Saab 9-5 is a fine car, not a standout in any way. Saab 9-3 is a fine car, again, not a stand out in any way. Saab has average product, as well as the luxury segments' lowest brand awareness and consideration. Add new levels of GM management to the mix and Saab's days are numbered to say the least.

I have owned several Saabs and have loved every one. However, while the market becomes crowded with exceptional cars, Saab introduces pablum. While Mazda introduces innovative cars like the RX-8, Saab introduces a glorified Jetta. While Saab offers 210hp for the 9-3, Volvo prepares to offer 300hp and awd in the S60. Audi puts a 4.2l V8 in the S4. Infiniti brings the G35.

You can have your peppy, energetic executives and improved retailer communications -- as a customer, I don't give a !@@@##. I, like most other consumers, just want great cars and we're unfortunately having to look elsewhere...

posted by 68.4.7...

• SAAB Press Release (long), Ian Glenday , Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:46:04
  • YOU SEE ... nothing to worry about ..., J, Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:22:32
    • Wrong..., cm, Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:41:55
      • Whatever...., b.flippo, Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:40:13
        • You're so wrong (with all due respect), cm, Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:02:02 <-- Viewing This Message
          • Re: You're so wrong (with all due respect), Steve L, Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:46:37
            • Pablum is an old fashioned baby food. n/m, Dave Westlake, Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:57:50
          • The product pipeline..., b.flippo, Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:08:34
    • Re: YOU SEE ... nothing to worry about ..., JasonS, Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:36:38
      • "Balls to the wall" explained, Ian Glenday , Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:38:04
        • And all this time I thought it meant something else :-), J, Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:12:40
          • Which sounds terribly painful, I might add. n/m, b.flippo, Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:32:09

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