DIY vac advance unit modification - success! - Saab Performance Bulletin Board - Saabnet.com
The banner above is an advertisment - if it asks you to download software, please ignore.
Site News - 7/1: Members: Log In to See Fewer Ads! | 5/28: SAAB Evolutions/TSN T-Shirts $14

[General | Members | C900 | 9000 | NG900 & OG93 | 93 | 95 | NG95 | 99 | Sonett | Vintage Models | Clubs | Other Cars | FAQs | Gifts | Member Photo Galleries | Member Directory | Classifieds | Manuals | *Buddy Registry | *Mileage Registry | Polls | What's New | Raffle | Photo of the Month | Sponsors]

Performance Bulletin Board
[Subscribe to Daily Digest]
(Search Author's Posts: e.g. Keyword:username)*Members Only


[Main Performance Bulletin Board | BBFAQ | Prev by Date | Next by Date | Post Followup ] Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos
DIY vac advance unit modification - success!
Like This Post: - Subscribe to Daily Digest for this Bulletin Board
Posted by MS (more from MS) on Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:50:17 Share Post by Email
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:
Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

I've known fro some time about the limits of the 8V stock turbo vacuum advance unit. I noticed how the car runs up against the limits of it's performance depending on the set ignition timing. If set at the spec location of 20 btdc the performance off the line is great, while the high end boost suffers. If you set the timing to 16 btdc, the off the line performance suffers a bit while the high end boost is much better - a powerful surge up to it's designated APC limit rather than a slow climb. With the timing set at 20 btdc, I also noticed the tendency of the engine to ping more under warm to hot driving conditions, thus making the boost experience all the more glum. Because consistent reliable boost was preferable (why even have a turbo car?), my choice was to keep the timing set at 16 and let the low end performance suffer. Poor gas milage too with this setting.

My reading of this site informed me of the few ways to improve the performance range of my car within the limits of it's stock configuration. I could install a water injection system, an electronic ignition control system, and the SPG9 performance A.I.D. vacuum advance unit. Any one or all three. The simplest initial option from what I could understand was the purchase of the SPG9 A.I.D. unit, which addresses the limits of the stock distributor vac advance unit. In other words, having the best of both the 20 and 16 btdc settings - good low and high end performance.

Then there is the cheap and mysterious DIY vacuum advance unit modification where you drill out the riveted stop bolt (a round bolt-like plug)on the turbo vac advance unit, thus allowing the timing to retard more under boost. A poor man's SPG9 A.I.D.. I had to try it. Removing the stop bolt was easy enough. After setting the base timing to 20 btdc, on my first test run I experienced the results of too much retard. Lots of psi, very little actual boost. Even if I advanced the timing more than 20 to lessen the retard, the boost was too unpredictable. Clearly there had to be a limit on the retard, thus the inclusion of some sort of adjustable stop bolt.

So I modified a 10mm bolt head to fit where the stock stop bolt had been. I filed down* one of the six flat surfaces so that when in place and rotated, you had a variable range (or degrees of retard) of where the stop came into effect - from none to unlimited. I set it for what I could estimate was 4 degrees of additional retard under boost. My aim was to have the best of both 20 and 16 btdc ignition settings. The first test drive was dramatic. I had achieved exactly what I intended! The best of both settings. Even in very hot conditions I achieve the boost I want, with no ping. (the IC obviously doing it's job)

I've yet to experiment to see just how far I can extend the range beyond this initial setting. Perhaps if I advance the timing at 22 and extend the vac unit retard range to 6, I may have an even better overall response. There's got to be a limit though. Anyone know the timing curves at play here?

* in order for the bolt head to fit within the space provided and so the unit will sit flush against the distributor body, you must also grind down the bolt head at an angle opposite the side serving as the stop surface. Two washers were also needed as spacers to raise the level of the bolt up to where it could be effective as a stop.

posted by 64.12.10...


Posts in this Thread:
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:
Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup
Post a Followup

No Site Registration is Required to Post - Site Membership is optional (Member Features List), but helps to keep the site online
for all Saabers. If the site helps you, please consider helping the site by becoming a member.

Name: Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos
E-Mail: (Optional)
Re-Enter E-Mail: (Confidential & Secure - Not revealed to other users!)
Note: Please check your spam folder for BB responses.

Subject:

Posting rules are simple - No for sale/wanted ads may be posted here - use the site classifieds.
You may not cross-post your message to multiple BBs.
Not permitted: political/religious topics and being disrespectful (personal attacks, insults, etc...).
Site Members do not see any red text, inline ad links, bottom of page anchor ads, box ads, or anti-spam check.

Message: (please no for sale/wanted classifieds - post those in the Saabnet.com Classifieds)
Links are now automatically made active, no need for any special code (or use the Option Link field below) - don't put links in () or end with a '.'
To add inline images to your post, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] (or use the Optional Image Link field below).


Links are now automatically made active, no need for any special code (or use the Option Link field below) - don't put links in () or end with a '.'
To add inline images to your post above, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] (or use the Optional Image Link field below).

Optional Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/)
Link Title: (Optional)
Optional Photo/Image Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/img.jpg)
Photo/Image to Upload: (Please be patient while file uploads)





StateOfNine.com
SaabClub.com
Jak Stoll Performance
M Car Covers
Ad Available

The content on this site may not be republished without permission. Copyright © 1988-2024 - The Saab Network - saabnet.com.
For usage guidelines, see the Mission & Privacy Notice.
[Contact | Site Map | Saabnet.com on Facebook | Saabnet.com on Twitter | Shop Amazon via TSN | Site Donations]

Random Saabnet.com Member Gallery Photos (Click Image)

This is a moderated bulletin board - Posting is a privilege, not a right. Unsolicited commercial postings are not allowed (no spam). Please, no For Sale or Wanted postings, SERIOUSLY. Classifieds are to be listed in The Saab Network Classifieds pages. This is a problem solving forum for over 250,000 Saab owners, so expect to see problems discussed here even though our cars are generally very reliable. This is not an anything goes type of forum. Saabnet.com has been a moderated forum since 1988. For usage guidelines, see the Saabnet.com Mission and Purpose Page. Please remember that you are not anonymous. Site Contact | Site Donations | Other Sites by SP - Poverty2Prosperity.org | Run Club Menlo Park | ScreenBot



Site Members do not see red text instructions, bottom of the page anchor ads, or box ads.
Click here to see all the Site Membership Benefits!