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Re: SAAB 9-5: connecting phone to loose wires
Posted by Frans Swaalf (more from Frans Swaalf) on Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:34:26
In Reply to: SAAB 9-5: connecting phone to loose wires, Frans Swaalf, Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:51:11 
Glenn,
Excellent stuff, I'm very happy with your detailed info, more than enough 
to get going. Thanks a million. BTW, I now understand that the +30 and +15 
naming of pin 1 and 2 lines do not refer to the voltage. Do you know what 
the deeper meaning is of these names?

I have non-critical question left:
I read somehwere that a Nokia 3310 doesn't need an external antenna in the 
car, because of its good transmission characteristics.
Somehwere else however it said that a external antenna is *always* needed, 
because the phone holder switches the internal off.
Any experiences with a 3310 in a SAAB out there?

Thanks -again :-)
Frans

At 19:57 1-11-01 -0800, you wrote:
>I have a bunch of pages I photocopied, too many to scan and
>post on the entire installation!!! Here is the guts of it.
>
>Documents: 'Nokia hands-free mobile telephone and glass mounted antenna
>installation instructions'. SI No 391-1964
>
>Pinouts from cable instructions for 'Tel 1' (handsfree pre-wired cars):
>
>Pin 1 [red]12V (+30) [always on]
>Pin 2 [blue/red]12V (+15) Key-controlled voltage
>Pin 3 [green] Microphone ground
>Pin 4 [black] Ground
>Pin 5 [yellow] Telephone mute
>Pin 6 [blue/white] Rheostat [dash illumination, not used on my cark91H]
>Pin 7 [gray/white] Telephone line output signal [i.e. input to the car's
>audio system]
>Pin 8 [black] Telephone line output ground
>Pin 9 Not used
>Pin 10 [brown/white] Microphone high/low level output
>
>Pin 7-10 not connected on 'Tel 0' cars, which are NOT equipped for
>handsfree.
>
>If the impedence or level of the roof microphone is wrong, you can
>remove the roof panel and move the plug from pin 2 to pin 1 (of the
>three pin connector) to switch to the 'high' microphone position.
>
>Random notes:
>
>The cable itself is p/n 400 108 130 (I assume that is a factory
>or Swedish p/n, as normal p/n's are 7 digit)
>http://www.saabcatalog.com/itemdrive.icl?orderid=ID100467280733682B1A7368392

>9&itmNum=806
>
>The phone bracket is p/n
>400 106 415 LHD
>400 106 423 RHD
>LHD:
>http://www.saabcatalog.com/itemdrive.icl?orderid=ID100467280733682B1A7368392

>9&itmNum=803
>
>Antenna:
>
>Another important point is that the antenna should
>be placed on the side rear window (wagon)
>or somewhere aware from the AM/FM
>antenna in the rear glass.
>
>Most (but not all) 9-5's also have coax running
>from the front of the car to the rear of the car
>(mine did). Just needs an FME (?) connector
>on the actual antenna cable you install.
>
>All in all, very thoughtful planning for an installation
>of an aftermarket phone by a car manufacturer.
>
>I have no idea if this is the same for OnStar
>equipped vehicles.
>
>Glenn

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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:44:06 -0600
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> can be serviced without disturbing the refrigerant circuit.  A SAAB will go 
> at least 8 years (and often longer) on the original refrigerant charge and 
> compressor, and when a problem does develop, the customer can be referred to 
> an A/C specialist.

Although I agree with much of what you have said, I have never seen a Saab with such reliable
air conditioning.  In my mind, the A/C has long been Saab's biggest achilles heal.  Unreliable
and very expensive to repair, and not even that effective when working.  My own has worked
about %25 of the 4 years I've owned the car, despite pouring hundreds of $$ into fixing it.


> There are two types of parts.  Those designed to wear out, and those 
> designed to last the life of the vehicle.  The former are priced by SAAB at 
> a level that's competitive with it's European competitors, and there are 
> aftermarket sources with lower prices.

Agreed...

>  If a component in the latter category is defective, it will become evident 
> during the warranty period and will be replaced at no cost to the owner.

I wish this were true.  At the moment, on my 10 year old 9000, the power locks no longer work,
the heated seats and mirrors no longer heat, the trunk latch handle has broken, the A/C does
not work, the power antenna has jammed, the sunroof seal has binded the sunroof shut, and the
interior air temperature sensor and the starter have worn out.  These are just the parts that
are currently broken -- they don't include the things I've fixed in the last two years.  Things
just break faster than I can fix them.  Most of these parts, I would have thought, were intended
to last the life of the car.  Being out of warranty, they would end up being very expensive
to have fixed by a shop here in St. Louis.


> Basically, it all boils down to this.  If you're looking for a dealer to 
> service your SAAB, consider yourself lucky to find one that actually employs 
> hard-working knowledgeable technicians, and one that takes pride in 
> servicing the older out-of-warranty cars for their customers.

For the owner of an out-of-warranty Saab with no garage or driveway in which to work on it,
I would say finding a place like this is essential -- it makes or breaks the ownership.  I've
truly been spoiled by Saab mechanics in Maine, but after two years that I've been living in
St. Louis, where there are none of the above-mentioned shops (for the top-end rates they charge,
they don't even offer a loaner), I'm just about ready to take my 9000 back to Maine and sell
it to someone there who can take care of it better than I can here.

    I think what David Whiteside said about the issue is effectively correct for people like
me living in places like St. Louis.  I disagree with many of the justifications, since if they
were all so then there would not be any of the above-mentioned shops anywhere, but regardless
of the reasons, the end result is that we should expect to pay more than $30 or even $60/hour
in most places (it's $85/hour here for European and most American cars).  Parts also cost 25-30%
more at shops here than they did on the East coast, and whether the shops are being greedy
or not, the result will be the same: they will lose my business when I am forced to trade my
car for a more cheaply maintained Japanese one (and you can bet I wouldn't be selling my car
here, so they won't have the next owner's business either).  Whether they are justified in
charging so much for service will not really matter.  I'm sure it all comes back to 'supply
and demand' anyway.

    Just my two cents...

-Derek Shaffer
'91 9000T 5sp 141K
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