Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 06:28:22 GMT From: "scott reed" <scottereednopsamdnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Saab 9-5 or Volvo S80 ?
That's the question I have. Does anyone know if Saab is planning to up the ante on the 6 cylinder turbo? It could be more M5 like if they did. I was thinking about an Aero, but the test drive told me to wait. It wasn't different enough (performance, interior and exterior) from the standard 9-5 Scott <rdollienopsameja.com> wrote in message news:86qajo$q5l$1nopsam1.deja.com... > Agreed for the most part but I seem to recall the article calling the > Aero a Swedish version of the BMW 540 not the M5 whereas the S80 T6 was > compared as the Swedish version of the Mercedes E430. > > -rdo > russell.ollienopsamnet > > In article <388f5079.21957967nopsam.netway.com>, > jtmav wrote: > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:27:51 GMT, rdollienopsameja.com wrote: > > > > You fail to mention that the Volvo can't be had with a manual, while > > the Saab comes standard with a five speed. I don't think the Volvo is > > anywhere near as good a handling and performance car as the Aero, > > that's not to say the T6 isn't a nice car, it's just more of a luxury > > car than performance, especially without the availabilty of a stick. > > Personally, I have driven the S80 and I prefer the Saab interior over > > the Volvo, but that's just taste and opinion nothing factual. As far > > as the M5 well for that kind of money it should do what it does and > > then some. The article called the Aero a Swedish version of the M5 but > > that's just silly. The M5 is an extraordinary car, which you pay > > mightily for. > > > > >jtmav, while it is true that Volvo has adapted many of the same > > >approaches used by Saab, they are not Saab innovations. > > > > > >Regarding the Road & Track review, it is the same one I reference in > my > > >original post. The reviewers found the Aero to be more sporty and > that > > >should be expected given the suspension setup of the Aero and the > sub- > > >par tire option they tested on the T6. As I said earlier, if they > used > > >the same tire option on the T6 that they used when they did their > first > > >review, the T6 would have still remained faster and it would have > shown > > >the exact same stickiness in the corners (both scored .83g on the > > >skidpad). Instead they tested the T6 with the standard tires for the > > >Aero comparison which is inconsistent since the Aero is the > performance > > >version of the 9-5 and the T6 should have at least had the > performance > > >tire option (not to mention the more appropriate comparison would > have > > >been a performance S80- the S80 R which isn't out yet). > > > > > >Nonetheless, with the options they chose for the T6 they found the > Aero > > >to be more sporty. They also found the T6 to have a better quality > > >interior (fit and finish and materials) although they said the 9-5 > > >wasn't shabby either. For what it's worth I think the Aero is more > > >sporty but neither is a true sports sedan (few sedans are). One > could > > >argue that the power to weight ratio should be better and that the > > >answer would be a lot more horses ala BMW M5 but I would prefer a few > > >more horses and significantly less weight for either car to be > > >considered a true sports sedan. > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >-rdo > > >russell.ollienopsamnet > > > > > >In article <388f2fc4.13584278nopsam.netway.com>, > > > jtmav wrote: > > >> On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:19:32 GMT, rdollienopsameja.com wrote: > > >> > > >> Check out this month's Road and Track. There is a comparison of the > > >> 9-5 Aero and the Volvo S-80 T6. Both the reviewers picked the > Saab. In > > >> a nutshell the Saab was a true sports sedan made luxurious and the > > >> Volvo was a luxury car trying to be sporty. I own both a Saab 9000 > CSE > > >> Turbo and a Volvo V70. The Saab is a superior car both in design > and > > >> overall fit and finish. Volvo has co-opted many of Saab's > innovations: > > >> front wheel drive, turbo charging, heated seats, etc. etc. I like > my > > >> wife's V70 but I LOVE my 9k. I will be taking delivery of a new 9-5 > > >> Aero someime next month. I can't wait. > > >> > > >> Remove the NSP for email > > >> >Hello, what color is the sky in your world? While we can all > espouse > > >> >opinions and preferences lets be careful about the facts please. > For > > >> >example, the cupholder in the 9-5. Sure it's nifty but it also > > >blocks > > >> >some of the ventilation as I recall. By contrast the Volvo S80 > has 8 > > >> >cupholders - some functional some not. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Powerful smooth turbo engines - sure after you get past the turbo > > >lag. > > >> >Volvo also uses turbos but the turbo lag is much less noticable. > In > > >> >the case of the S80 it is probably because they used two small > twin > > >> >turbo chargers. > > >> > > > >> >Ergonomics - both Saab and Volvo excel here. I personally don't > care > > >> >for the boat plane interior design but it is very functional in > the > > >> >Saab. It is also very functional in the Volvo. The S80 has the > only > > >> >safely designed navigation system where the eyes remain on the > > >horizon > > >> >and the hands on the wheel to operate the system; it has a dash > face > > >> >angled to mimic the angle used when reading a book; it has a > powerful > > >> >and simple environmental control system due to the large > pictogram; > > >> >etc. etc. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Safety - you're really playing with fire here. Saab, Volvo, and > > >> >Mercedes are all well established safety leaders. The Volvo S80 > has > > >> >the best neck and spine protection ratings ever recorded in rear- > > >impact > > >> >crash tests due to the WHIPs anti-whiplash seats (found on all new > > >> >Volvos). The S80 is also the only car to ever score 5-stars for > BOTH > > >> >front and rear seat passengers in side-impact crash test done by > the > > >> >NHTSA. How can you possibly say the Volvo can't dream of matching > > >> >Saab's safety? In Europe, the S40 is the only car in its class to > > >> >score 4-stars in FIA NCAP crash tests. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Edgy old-fashioned monster under the skin? Well I know there are > > >more > > >> >engine options in other parts of the world but here in the U.S. > all > > >> >Volvos are powered by the same family of modular inline engines > Volvo > > >> >developed with Porsche. Back in 1994, Car and Driver said the > Volvo > > >> >850 Turbo was the fastest mass-produced sedan in the world. Since > > >that > > >> >period Volvo has added more horses and torque to their engines. > > >Their > > >> >high-pressure turbo cars are all (S70 T5, S80 T6) faster than > Saabs. > > >> >If you are passing Volvos it's because their owners either want to > > >let > > >> >you or because they have one of the diminuitive engine options. I > can > > >> >assure you that in the U.S. when a Volvo and a Saab meet, if both > > >> >drivers are determined to hurry it along it will be the Volvo in > the > > >> >front. > > >> > > > >> >Saab has done some nice work with the Viggen and 9-5 Aero. > However, > > >if > > >> >you read the summary data from Road & Track you will realize that > the > > >> >S80 T6 they tested against the 9-5 Aero didn't have the > performance > > >> >tire option that was used when R&T did their full review of the T6 > > >> >earlier. In the earlier review, the T6 matched the BMW 540 in the > > >> >corners (grip) in large part due to the aggressive tires. In the > 9-5 > > >> >Aero comparison the 9-5 did better in part because of tires and in > > >part > > >> >because of suspension setup (the Aero is a limited production > > >> >performance tuned car unlike the T6.) The more appropriate > comparison > > >> >for an Aero would be a S80 R which would feature the same tricked- > out > > >> >suspension approach or at a minimum a T6 with performance tires > > >(which > > >> >ties the Aero for grip according to the numbers in R&T). > > >> > > > >> >Jeroen, I respect your opinion and preference for the Saab but I > did > > >> >want to give a more fact based comparison which I hope I have > done. > > >> > > > >> >Thanks. > > >> > > > >> >-rdo > > >> >russell.ollienopsamnet > > >> > > > >> >In article <86kl0j$n3p$1nopsamel.civ.utwente.nl>, > > >> > "Jeroen Lugtenberg" <j.lugtenbergnopsament.utwente.nl> wrote: > > >> >> Saab is always the better choice certainly when it is compared > to > > >> >aVolvo. > > >> >> Why, because a Volvo is a car for the great public. Not for a > > >> >connoisseur > > >> >> like the Saab driver. When you look at the details of a Saab you > > >know > > >> >what I > > >> >> mean. For example the great design of the cup-holder in the > dash of > > >> >the 9-5 > > >> >> and it's powerfull smooth turbo-engines. Or the ergonomic > > >> >> door-handles of the Saab. And of cours it's huge safety, safety > of > > >> >which a > > >> >> Volvo only can dream. When I drive a Saab and I pass a Volvo, I > > >> >always smile > > >> >> and pity the poor man who has made just another wrong choice in > his > > >> >life. I > > >> >> hope that this is of some help to you! My message; Keep away > from > > >> >Volvo's > > >> >> because underneath their new rounded skin there's still that > edgy > > >> >> old-fashioned monster of the old days!!!! > > >> >> > > >> >> Jeroen > > >> >> <engine1665nopsamnet> wrote in message > > >> >news:388db10anopsamws.webzone.net... > > >> >> > > > >> >> > I've driven the 9-5 turbo 2.3 auto trans, has lots of turbo > lag, > > >> >otherwise > > >> >> great > > >> >> > car with unknown reliability and resale. > > >> >> > Don > > >> >> > hanley <fsnmnopsam.com> wrote: > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Stephen Dewart wrote: > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >> What do you think? Saab 9-5 or Volvo S80? > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >The last road and track compared the 9-5 areo with the > > >> >> > >s-80 T6. They liked the 9-5 areo better. They said this > > >> >> > >9-5 was like a swedish bmw ( drivers car ) while the > > >> >> > >s-80 was more like a mercedes ( cushy ). > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >dave > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > >> >Before you buy. > > >> > > >> JTMav > > >> Remove the NSP for email > > >> > > > > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > >Before you buy. > > > > JTMav > > Remove the NSP for email > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.
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