Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:36:31 +0100
From: johannes <johsnospam-nospamme95754-fitter.com>
Subject: Re: What killed this group?





DervMan wrote:
> 
> "johannes" <johsnospam-nospamme95754-fitter.com> wrote in message
> news:46DAD497.12DA0CAEnospam-nospamme95754-fitter.com...
> >
> >
> > DervMan wrote:
> >>
> >> "Richard Sutherland-Smith" <richard.ssnospamr.net.nz> wrote in message
> >> news:d1d7fc1b4f.Richardnospamard.ss.clear.net.nz...
> >> >> "Al" <alistairdorenospamo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:Z3%Bi.189412$lx3.6123nospamnews.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "DervMan" <thedervmannospaml.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:46d853a4$0$13924$fa0fcedbnospam.zen.co.uk...
> >> >>>> "E. Newnes" <enewns45nospamo.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>> news:epafd3tbrdb1i5rh1d23ggjh65cskp0ikenospamcom...
> >> >>>>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:21:14 +0100, "DervMan"
> >> >>>>> <thedervmannospaml.com>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab
> >> >>>>>>*because*
> >> >>>>>>of the GM influence.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> But they are not being introduced to real Saabs, only to the ghost
> >> >>>>> of
> >> >>>>> the  "brand".  Long time GM customers are used to a diet of multi
> >> >>>>> hued
> >> >>>>> shit and would only expect more of the same, so they will
> >> >>>>> inadvertently aid and abet the loss of Saab DNA.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Says who?  What makes a real Saab a real Saab?  Why is a current
> >> >>>> Saab a
> >> >>>> lesser Saab than a 1980 Saab?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Drive any modern <insert brand> and it's very different from
> >> >>>> something
> >> >>>> in
> >> >>>> the 1970s.  Modern stuff with a Saab badge is a modern
> >> >>>> interpretation
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>> what you may consider to be a proper Saab.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Sorry, but that's just Tommy Rot.  It's not an interpretation, it's a
> >> >>> Vauxhall with a blue badge.  (I like Vauxhalls BTW!)
> >> >
> >> >> Aie but who designed it?
> >> >
> >> >>> Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab
> >> >>> bloodline.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That said, the 9-3 is an excellent motorcar, and the most reliable
> >> >>> car
> >> >>> (of
> >> >>> any brand) we've ever owned was a NG 900s.
> >> >
> >> >> My heart wanted a classic Saab 900 Turbo with air conditioning.
> >> >
> >> >> My budget said 9-3.  My head said Mondeo TDCi.
> >> >
> >> >> In the end I bought the diesel 9-3, knowing its faults* but also its
> >> >> strengths.  It has the understeery Saab-esque handling, it has those
> >> >> seats
> >> >> and that interior, but it also has a Japanese engine and GM running
> >> >> gear.
> >> >
> >> > The old 9-3 had a GM diesel 2.2L, the new one has the Alfa derived
> >> > 1.9L. They have a Jap auto gearbox?
> >>
> >> It's an Isuzu-designed unit.
> >
> > But bear in mind that FIAT originally pioneered the common rail diesel
> > injection system, so the Alfa derived 1.9 turbo diesels engines aren't
> > bad for a rep-mobile. Also found in Vauxhall/Opel cars.
> 
> It's a fantastic engine - when it works.  Unfortunately, it isn't the most
> reliable donk around, by any stretch.  In some applications it even makes
> the VAG TDI technology seem quiet and smooth, too. :)

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