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16hrs charge for 8hrs running at 5hp/4
Posted by Reality (more from Reality) on Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:14:46
In Reply to: I got yer batteries, No Snaab, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:02:34
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The typical electric fork lift has only about 3 to 4kWh electric bill per hour of use. Since the lead acid batteries have charge/discharge effciency of only about 50%, that 3-4kWh electricity going into the battery only leads to 1/4 coming out for conversion to mechanical energy in that same hour.
I have no doubt the gasoline engine will be replaced by something someday (gas turbine, fuel cell, etc.), but it's a ways off and pure electric is probably not a viable alternative at all for most American car owners due to the lower energy density of batteries compared to hydrocarbon fuel. Electric batteries have to carry all its reactants as well as waste. Hydrocarbon fuel (gasoline, diesel, propane, natural gas) OTOH only brings about 1/4 the total weight of reactantS (the other 3/4 is oxygen from the air) and does not have to carry the aftermath of reaction back home for recharging, as CO2 and Water vapor is recycled by the earth's oceans and high pressure high temperature mantel back into hydrocarbon fuel. It's the ultimate nuclear energy and geothermal, as the high temperature high pressure mantel is due to nuclear decay energy inside the planet and tidal force interaction with the moon.
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Posts in this Thread:
- On board the UK's first fast-charge electric bus, JohnA
, Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:31:04- Tesla Model S: 'If Apple Made A Car, This Would Be It', JohnA
, Sat, 23 Jun 2012 07:17:05 - Won't work. Steering wheel is on wrong side, Used to be Chaz, Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:43:03
- Foreign Policy Mag photoessay on electrics, JohnA
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:39:11- Neil Young - e-car tinkerer, JohnA
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:28:20 - Show me the batteries, JerseySaab
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:02:30- I got yer batteries, No Snaab, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:02:34
- don't be a Luddite!, JohnA
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:10:11- I like electric motors, batteries are the problem, JerseySaab
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:44:25 - don't be so gullible, JerseySaab
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:18:47- Don't be so narrowminded, ELaw
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:45:08 - Re: don't be so gullible, Steve T., Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:43:49
- EV vs hybrid, Snowmobile
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:41:59- The one thing I don't get:, ELaw
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:02:58- Re: The one thing I don't get:, Snowmobile
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:14:58- Regenerative braking is grossly over-rated, Reality, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:03:09
- Very poor math....what about efficiency?, Mark from Toronto, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:40:28
- Re: Very poor math....what about efficiency?, Snowmobile
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:12:17 - More like 20-30% efficient, Reality, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:12:08
- at WOT only!, Siegfried, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:57:27
- and within a certain (and limited) RPM range, Siegfried, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:07:49
- conversion is quite efficient....., Mark from Toronto, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:48:29
- Re: conversion is quite efficient....., Reality, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:38:28
- Re: conversion is quite efficient....., Mark from Toronto, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:12:09
- Strawman tactic, Reality, Fri, 15 Jun 2012 03:46:58
- Think this out please...., Mark from Toronto, Fri, 15 Jun 2012 08:54:56
- Re: Strawman tactic, ELaw
, Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:00:41 - Strawman tactic vs Triple Strawman tactic, Snowmobile
, Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:27:37 - Say what??, ELaw
, Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:13:20
- apples and oranges, Siegfried, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:35:26
- Very good points..., Snowmobile
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:13:10- Fuel consumption during idling, Kristjan
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:00:43 - corrected..., Snowmobile
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:44:11 - bah, I made the error, not you!, Snowmobile
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:21:49
- Correct but biased..., ELaw
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:43:40
- Yes, hybrids can be practical, JerseySaab
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:49:41- eAAM, Snowmobile
, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 08:03:07- Re: eAAM, Mark from Toronto, Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:16:30
- Turbo!, ELaw
, Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:06:04
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