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Re: David Ingram - or anybody else, on the 9-3...
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Posted by David Ingram (more from David Ingram) on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:45:11 Share Post by Email
In Reply to: David Ingram - or anybody else, on the 9-3..., Steve, Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:31:54
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I'm surprised to hear that the rear end EVER came around on you on a Saab -- it's my impression that these cars are set up with and understeer override, which is to say that in an emergency Saab feels you'll be better off going straight ahead than doing uncontrolled loopty-loops (I agree).

I've thought about your comments about the throttle response in these cars, and I note a similar "are you sure?" response from many of the drive-by-wire Saabs I've driven. But eventually, one adjusts to the feel of the new car and it does become second nature, don't you think? Also, don't forget you're talking about, fundamentally, a high-compression four cylinder engine here. Ask any 9000 owner about the consequences of instant-on power delivery in the areas of engine mounts, transmission parts, etc., and I think you could see some reason for engineers to smooth out the power delivery somewhat. And finally, you must leave something for the Vector to call its own in the power department, and in this case the only differences between the cars is software I believe.

FWIW, in my very brief drive of the base 9-3, I found the car really really improved over the previous Saabs I've driven -- much more refined and considerably more solid structurally. Newer cars with stiffer bodies are usually given more compliant suspensions, since the shocks and springs don't have to compensate for body flex. Even with a softer-feeling spring rate, though, you're still seeing handling improvements on the skidpad (and of course in emergency maneuvers) and the cars are generally more tossable. I agree that they are missing the old "solid" sounds and feel, but they actually work better. Again, expect to see the Vector address this issue.

Finally, in our last debate, I made this point and I'll repeat it here. The basic 9-3 lists at about $27,000. In 1986, the 9000 Turbo cost about $26,000. In today's dollars, that would be close to $40,000. Given the tough compromises an automaker must make, I feel satisfied that Saab's doing the best it can, and striving for the right balance between content/quality/affordabilit.

By the way, you should see all the electronic stuff going on in this car, and why it's there. Absolutely incredible. Reliability's a bit unknown, but it's amazing the commitment to new technologies Saab has made. Very adventurous.

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