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Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now. Posted by Snowmobile [Email]

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In Reply to: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., Noel, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:27:09 Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

I have long been interested in EV's from a technical standpoint. I think if Saab had put out a hybrid (especially a plug in hybrid, through the road, and with AWD, like they were developing and like they modeled as a convertible at least a decade ago at some auto show), I would have been eager to get on board. I'm pretty sure Saab would have been a leader in this area had GM not had other motivations.

That said, we don't own an EV or hybrid or diesel right now. We have Saabs that should last us a long time, and are likely to be replaced by used Saabs in the short term if the need should arise. Part of that is because I want a real car, not a prius, and the real car EV options are too costly for our needs... and Saabs are cheap, and I mostly know what to do to make them work for us...

Tesla is quite interesting, but too expensive for a car that is not particularly road trip friendly... Just about everything else I like about it though! Logistically, it is kind of like a 9000...

Volvo hybrids appeal. I am very keen to see what happens with the wheel motors like they used in the Recharge concept. Very interesting stuff there! A wagon (v70/60 or whatever) with those wheel motors would be very interesting if they can work the rest out to make it practical. The wheel motors save space + weight that can be re-allocated to things like a generator or batteries (or more safety features, to quote the program manager from Volvo!)...

For the time being, an EV would be more useful as a local commuter rather than a long distance family hauler... and imho, those cars should be cheap used cars, not expensive new cars, because they suffer lots of wear and tear around the city and if something does break, it's a short tow to the indy or home for a repair... it's only the long haul where used becomes an issue... and there are no appealing used EV/hybrids really... yet...

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So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., Noel, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:27:09
- 2nd Telsa S burns after crash., Norm9-5, Tue, 29 Oct 2013 05:57:27
  - Now 3rd...owner tells story, Norm9-5, Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:53:11
- Graphene - Supercapacitor - Video, Scott Paterson , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:21:21
  - Cool stuff. 5-10 years to commercialization..., Noel, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:23:18
    - It'll require some major infrastructure improvements, RS , Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:57:12
      - energy density is the problem for cars..., Snowmobile , Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:32:46
      - * Shield Eyes From Light *, Bill Homer , Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:21:53
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., dr fall, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:30:27
- Long term, I'd like one of the cars all electric., EricG, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:20:25
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., Dave Chicago, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:10:09
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., steven, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:22:43
- Not for Awhile, DE , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:03:21
- Re: Not for now, AeroDave, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:47:47
- I'll try to find a used E55 / E63 AMG Wagon..., Tulsaab , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:09:06
- No - especially with no Saab wagon/hatch..., Scott Paterson , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:14:24
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., Snowmobile , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:34:31 <-- Viewing This Message
- My next car will be a diesel, AdamB , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:52:59
  - You are quoting Imperial numbers?, Norm95, Tue, 1 Oct 2013 05:21:39
- When you look at ROI, diesel is the only answer…, Savary , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:22:56
  - Diesel is .60-.80 cents more than reg/prem gas., Norm9-5, Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:41:17
    - Say what?, AdamB , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 04:55:29
      - Gets pretty close, vvk, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:11:28
        Must be a US thing, AdamB , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 04:18:23
        Last rental car a month ago, SWEDECAR , Fri, 27 Sep 2013 08:05:48
    - Doubles the diesel? Can you clarify? n/m, Noel, Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:23:57
      - A tuned 2.0T can double VW tdi horsepower. nm, Norm9-5, Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:16:19
        Comparing a tuned engine to stock? (n/m), AdamB , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 04:51:50
        Stock 2.0T has 100 more horsepower. nm, Norm9-5, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:21:09
        Re: Stock 2.0T has 100 more horsepower. nm, steven, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:54:56
        And a modern 6 cylinder turbo diesel has almost 300 hp, AdamB , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:30:44
        2014 335d supposed to get 45 mpg., Norm95, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 05:12:31
        Re: 2014 335d supposed to get 45 mpg., AdamB , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:34:14
        Who tunes Verano?, Bill Homer , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 05:39:46
        it is done online now., Norm95, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:49:57
        I wonder if the engine is strong enough, Noel, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:25:12
        Compression gage $20.00? Easy to use. nm, Norm95, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:57:56
        Doesn't answer the question!, Noel, Fri, 27 Sep 2013 06:00:42
        The accessories will wear out before the engine., Norm95, Fri, 27 Sep 2013 08:35:06
        Or so you assume., Noel, Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:38:43
        2006 2.0T is better than B234R: FACT!, Norm9-5, Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:50:04
        52 mpg and now you're also claiming it's better than, AdamB , Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:03:48
        350hp GM 2.0T for less than $1,500., Norm95, Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:30:02
        Re: Or so you assume., Snowmobile , Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:20:01
        Good for after-the-fact testing nm, Bill Homer , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 18:42:47
        it is done online now., Norm95, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:39:10
        Some real data would be nice. If it exists., Noel, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:15:08
        185hp 9-5 could be 285hp all from GS., Norm95, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:53:27
        exactly....., Savary , Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:41:42
        I'm assuming this was for Norm? (nm), AdamB , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:16:46
        Yep. (Sorry) n/m, Noel, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:58:53
      - But Torque is what you feel, Bill Homer , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:28:20
        Re: But Torque is what you feel, dtechakacheaptech, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:15:11
        Slap a 2:1 gear on it and whoa ... twice the torque!, dmz789qqq, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:22:28
        Torque doesn't matter for performance? Huh?, Noel, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 13:10:17
        so to further my comment below, I would say..., Snowmobile , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 20:01:06
        Yes it doesn't, dmz789qqq, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 13:46:14
        Re: Yes it doesn't, JimBlake , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:08:59
        Re: Yes it doesn't, Snowmobile , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:09:51
        torque, power, etc..., Snowmobile , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:44:52
  - Re: When you look at ROI, diesel is the only answer…, ahanson , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:17:31
    - wow, theyre asking top dollar for used diesels....n/m, Savary , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:44:11
    - Bingo!, Bill Homer , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:13:22
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., Brad Svatek, Tue, 24 Sep 2013 07:57:34
- Eventually, but nothing currently meets my needs, NCCaniac , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:57:44
- Yes., B Millar , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:49:27
  - Have you driven one?, BillyVolt, Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:01:40
    - I have not., B Millar , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:06:34
      - Re: I have not., BillyVolt, Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:18:52
- My wife loves her Volt, ELaw , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:34:27
- Diesel, Ultimated, Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:12:39
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., TML , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:32:59
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., bobc , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:09:46
- Re: Electric or diesel?, BobS, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:56:08
- Yes and Yes, MI-Roger , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:09:21
- None for me, JerseySaab , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:57:34
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., JTRI , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:53:29
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., No Snaab, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:14:29
- Bought a 2014 Volt, Bill Homer , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:03:12
  - Re: Bought a 2014 Volt, Jeff, Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:01:44
  - What is your cost per kWh?, dmz789qqq, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 19:18:31
    - Currently $0.071/kWh aggregated rate in our town, plus, Bill Homer , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 19:35:08
      - The math - Prius advantage doesn't add up, Bill Homer , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:59:49
        It's a close call..., dmz789qqq, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:17:14
        Multiple Prii (plural fopr Prius)?, Bill Homer , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:05:52
        The thing with the Prius..., Noel, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:45:17
        Wife's car, Bill Homer , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:25:09
        Re: Wife's car, Snowmobile , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:17:56
        She hasn't driven anything other than Saabs for 10+ yrs, Noel, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:28:36
        Rent a car when you need it?, Bill Homer , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:08:51
        Used to do that when I had some older cars, Noel, Fri, 27 Sep 2013 06:19:41
        Re: Used to do that when I had some older cars, Snowmobile , Fri, 27 Sep 2013 06:58:57
        OK, may not work for you, Bill Homer , Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:58:57
        And an even better deal......, MI-Roger , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 03:17:02
  - Re: govt rebates, Dano in Texas , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:39:32
    - Re: govt rebates, Bill Homer , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:56:39
      - Wow, No Snaab, Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:27:17
        Perspective, Bill Homer , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:30:08
- Hybrid/EV: NO .... Diesel: YES nm, Trev, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:49:25
- Uncertain, Justin VanAbrahams , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:36:46
  - Yes, waiting for ES300h and 328d to hit used market..., dmz789qqq, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:48:28
    - Batteries are bad for the environment and your pocketbo, Norm9-5, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:51:09
      - Anecdotal mileage is useless, AdamB , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 04:59:18
        Re: Anecdotal mileage is useless, Ultimated, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:12:29
        Re: Anecdotal mileage is useless, AdamB , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:27:16
        More accurately: scientific method is important., Snowmobile , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:55:41
        Yes, but the average consumer is pretty ignorant, Noel, Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:28:42
        Again, I agree, AdamB , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:21:29
        Re: Again, I agree, Snowmobile , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:31:59
        Re: Again, I agree, AdamB , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:38:38
        52 miles two way highway average mid 40's mpg., Norm95, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:06:35
        52 mpg?? That's not believable. Sorry... (nm), AdamB , Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:05:22
        52 miles is the distance each way 40 mpg avg overallnm, NNorm95, Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:15:43
        Urban Legend?, Bill Homer , Thu, 26 Sep 2013 16:10:36
        30 vs 45 mpg would require 9 more gallons for a 9-5. nm, Norm95, Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:31:51
        Not on a 52 mile trip, or even two, Bill Homer , Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:52:42
        Re: Not on a 52 mile trip, or even two, Snowmobile , Tue, 1 Oct 2013 06:55:41
      - Yeah... right., dmz789qqq, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 19:15:14
        Hwy roll-ons from 65-125mph are fun with 380 lb-ft., Norm9-5, Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:11:29
        Re: Hwy roll-ons from 65-125mph are fun with 380 lb-ft., saabsince 93b , Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:48:35
      - So far I'm averaging 295+ miles/gallon of gasoline, BillyVolt, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:09:19
        Or 100mpge on 200 miles daily., Norm9-5, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:27:06
- BMW 335d in the driveway along with my Saabs., Paul H, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:39:01
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., andym, Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:10:41
  - Re: hopefully, no flames., Tom G , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:14:01
    - Re: hopefully, no flames., Keith , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:20:08
      - Have to agree, Bill Homer , Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:46:50
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., Steve T., Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:01:47
  - NO NO NO BATTERIES NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME, saabsince 93b , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:54:04
- Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., Notnoel , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:31:13
  - Re: So a question for everyone. Short answers for now., Keith , Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:56:08

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