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Re: Local dimming LCD vs plasma? Posted by Justin VanAbrahams [Email]  (#32) [Profile/Gallery]
(more from Justin VanAbrahams) on Mon, 3 Nov 2014 11:12:51
In Reply to: Re: Local dimming LCD vs plasma?, AdamB  [Profile/Gallery]
, Mon, 3 Nov 2014 03:29:25
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I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. Like I said, I install dozens of good TVs annually and while there are things plasma does better than LCD (black being one of them, generally speaking) there are things LCDs do better than plasmas (bright rooms being one of them). You didn't ask where he'll be using the TV.
I've not experienced any motion blur problems on recent 120Hz+ TVs, and I do a fair amount of "twitch" gaming where framerate is everything. Even average faux 240Hz LCDs handle motion as good as plasma ever did, and the nicer, bigger faux numbers do better. Content is also a factor in motion blur, of course, and if your source is cable TV (at 60Hz), then the technology doesn't matter much anyway - you can't add detail that isn't there. You didn't even ask what his source was.
There is also the matter of input lag, and plasmas tend to fair significantly worse than a decent LCD - by a factor a 2-3x. If gaming is part of the equation - whether PC or console - plasma is not the right answer whatsoever. You didn't ask what he'll do other than watch the superbowl.
On the subject 5-10 year old plasmas, pixel density was historically a problem with them which is what turned me away from them early on - my very expensive PDP-433CMX was a very nice TV, but the poor pixel density compared to similar-sized LCDs turned me off of them pretty quickly. There were some very good plasmas made five years ago when the technology was making a really strong play against LCD, but plasma certainly wasn't great in 2004. It was then as it is now - a good technology with its own pros and cons. Representing that all LCDs have motion blur is like representing all plasmas have poor pixel density - a false, generalized claim. Both issues have been largely fixed.
Same goes for your claims about resolution. By that chart's logic, there would be no benefit to an Apple Retina Display or my 4k computer monitors. There is a benefit, and it's clear as day with the right content. Perhaps not in the sense of a discrete pixel, but a decent set of eyes can positively tell the difference in a holistic sense between a 2k and 4k TV on a significant amount of content. Indeed, the reason I originally replaced my Pioneer PDP was because even ~10' away on a 43" screen Windows was a lot clearer on a 1080 LCD than a 720 plasma. The text alone was reason enough to change TVs. (I still have the Pioneer - and I still use it, BTW)
I don't know how many TVs you look at annually, but I look at a lot. I spec, purchase, install and configure them for a lot of people and I base my reputation on the accuracy of my representations. I run into a lot of "Nope, plasma is better" people just like I used to run into a lot of the "Nope, records are better" people. Plasma is good, and records are good. But they are not clearly superior to the alternative products - they each have their place.
It irks the crap out of me when people make blanket statements about complicated technology - and you're doing just that. You didn't ask any questions about his use, you just said "PLASMA FOR BETTER BLACKS AND NO MOTION BLUR!" But what's his sources, does he game, where is the TV physically placed? All important questions - the answers to which might make plasma the less ideal technology for his application. That reeks of fanboyism and not a critical evaluation of the problem at hand. Like recommending a turntable to someone who only listens to music in the car. Or a Saab to someone who needs to tow a 5th wheel.
My $0.02, ymmv.
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