The banner above is an advertisment - if it asks you to download software, please ignore.
Site News - 7/1: Members: Log In to See Fewer Ads! | 5/28: SAAB Evolutions/TSN T-Shirts $14

[General | Members | C900 | 9000 | NG900 & OG93 | 93 | 95 | NG95 | 99 | Sonett | Vintage Models | Clubs | Other Cars | FAQs | Gifts | Member Photo Galleries | Member Directory | Classifieds | Manuals | *Buddy Registry | *Mileage Registry | Polls | What's New | Raffle | Photo of the Month | Sponsors]

95 Bulletin Board
1999-2009 [Subscribe to Daily Digest]
(Search Author's Posts: e.g. Keyword:username)*Members Only


[Main 95 Bulletin Board | BBFAQ | Prev by Date | Next by Date | Post Followup ] Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos
I have an opinion about cheap tires (&rant)
Like This Post: - Subscribe to Daily Digest for this Bulletin Board
Posted by Dean [Email] (more from Dean) on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:04:09 Share Post by Email
In Reply to: Best type of Tire, ChrisW, Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:10:09
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:
Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

Standard lecture...

You may drive conservatively, but in an emergency (you or your wife or kids), the tire traction, braking distance and steering response for accident avoidance is truly limited by the tires. Braking distance is controlled by tires, not brake pads etc. Different brake kit only effects petal feel, not single stop braking distance. Performance tires will stop, grip and respond in the wet or cold and wet when many all season tires simply become useless. ABS&ESP will allow control but will provide control in a lesser stopping and steering performance envelope that might intersect a hard object that you might otherwise avoid with better tires. I regard the expense of better tires as an insurance to avoid some damaging/injuring/killing situations as opposed to classic insurance that pays off when things go very wrong. At the very least, you avoid the vehicle in front and get rear ended and then you are not at fault at all with significant insurance implications.

You do not have to be an agressive driver to need max performance tires! You might need training or instruction to know what the vehicle can do in an emergency situation. (Aero academy is priceless!)

Lecture II
Many tires sold for long tread live last too long and harded from age and heat. These can be so hard well before they wear out, that dry traction is quite limited and wet traction is simply horrible. So by all reason these tires in this state should be thrown out even with lots of tread depth. So the economy of these tires is totally false. The danger is worse in warmer climates where heat aging is more severe. As these tires age harden, they become even more wear resitant and they can ultimately be thrown out from noise wear patterns instead of lack of tread depth*. The sad part is that many folks have no idea that the tire traction has deteriorated to the point of being dangerous.

* tossing out long life tires with lots of tread depth that have lost traction is false economy, running tires that have lost traction past such a point is really a dangerous/dumb thing to do

More rant: If you have better tires and another equal Saab has lesser tires with special brake pads, special rotors, stainless steel brake pads, the vehicle with the better tires will have better single stop braking performace than the vehicle with the expensive brake gear. This point is to stress the importance of the tires. The tires are the limiting factor to braking and steering performance. Better brake hardware provides better performance with repeated agressive braking that creates very high temperatures and provides for a better petal feel. But when sh!t happens, you need to hit the petal as hard as you can and then everything else that happens is a function of tire traction. Crappy tires kill.

More rant: You read and watch vehicle road tests on TV with stopping distances etc. What they are testing is mostly the tires, not the brakes. ABS systems will mostly take advantage of all of the available tire traction. So the results are really not something intrinsic to the vehicle design itself. And the results are very much determined by tire pressure, tire/track temperature, pavement and the amount of rubber crumb left on the brake test section from prior runs or other vehicles. So the test is really more of an evaluation of the tires than the vehicle itself. If the same vehicle was fitted with max/ultra performance tires, the results would be more impressive.

Modern braking system have the ability to provide enough braking effort to take the tires to the point of, thresold of, lockup. So the braking performance is not essentually braking effort limited, but tire limited.

other than that, I do not have any strongly held opinions :)


Posts in this Thread:
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:
Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup
Post a Followup

No Site Registration is Required to Post - Site Membership is optional (Member Features List), but helps to keep the site online
for all Saabers. If the site helps you, please consider helping the site by becoming a member.

Name: Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos
E-Mail: (Optional)
Re-Enter E-Mail: (Confidential & Secure - Not revealed to other users!)
Note: Please check your spam folder for BB responses.

Subject:

Posting rules are simple - No for sale/wanted ads may be posted here - use the site classifieds.
You may not cross-post your message to multiple BBs.
Not permitted: political/religious topics and being disrespectful (personal attacks, insults, etc...).
Site Members do not see any red text, inline ad links, bottom of page anchor ads, box ads, or anti-spam check.

Message: (please no for sale/wanted classifieds - post those in the Saabnet.com Classifieds)
Links are now automatically made active, no need for any special code (or use the Option Link field below) - don't put links in () or end with a '.'
To add inline images to your post, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] (or use the Optional Image Link field below).


Links are now automatically made active, no need for any special code (or use the Option Link field below) - don't put links in () or end with a '.'
To add inline images to your post above, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] (or use the Optional Image Link field below).

Optional Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/)
Link Title: (Optional)
Optional Photo/Image Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/img.jpg)
Photo/Image to Upload: (Please be patient while file uploads)





StateOfNine.com
SaabClub.com
Jak Stoll Performance
M Car Covers
Ad Available

The content on this site may not be republished without permission. Copyright © 1988-2024 - The Saab Network - saabnet.com.
For usage guidelines, see the Mission & Privacy Notice.
[Contact | Site Map | Saabnet.com on Facebook | Saabnet.com on Twitter | Shop Amazon via TSN | Site Donations]

Random Saabnet.com Member Gallery Photos (Click Image)

This is a moderated bulletin board - Posting is a privilege, not a right. Unsolicited commercial postings are not allowed (no spam). Please, no For Sale or Wanted postings, SERIOUSLY. Classifieds are to be listed in The Saab Network Classifieds pages. This is a problem solving forum for over 250,000 Saab owners, so expect to see problems discussed here even though our cars are generally very reliable. This is not an anything goes type of forum. Saabnet.com has been a moderated forum since 1988. For usage guidelines, see the Saabnet.com Mission and Purpose Page. Please remember that you are not anonymous. Site Contact | Site Donations | Other Sites by SP - Poverty2Prosperity.org | Run Club Menlo Park | ScreenBot



Site Members do not see red text instructions, bottom of the page anchor ads, or box ads.
Click here to see all the Site Membership Benefits!