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Re: proof please Posted by AdamB [Email]  (#3)  [Profile/Gallery]
(more from AdamB) on Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:49:33
In Reply to: Re: proof please, jeff, Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:05:46 Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup |
"CR-V ratings have absolutely nothing to do with MDX ratings. "
While the CR-V may not be exactly like the MDX, they are both made by the exact same company and are approximately the same type of vehicle (and yes Acura = Honda). I chose it because EuroNCAP haven't tested any other Honda SUVs.
"That's like saying since GM's minivans get crappy ratings a Saab is somehow suspect."
And that's what I call a major exaggeration. Saabs are not even remotely related to any GM minivans, and within the Saab brand all the cars have generally been trendsetters regarding safety. This certainly cannot be said about Honda.
"As for side airbags, to me there's a simple retort. The more recently designed 9-3 has them, and studies are showing that they do reduce injuries in crashes. Why would Saab, who focuses so much on safety in their designs, not include them if they work? So the guy decided he'd like them for the kiddies in the back seat. This decision apparently offends you. Why?"
Heh, I haven't claimed curtain airbags are bad or don't work. I said that the safety cage and crumble zone designs are more important. The 9-5 has gotten great results without curtain airbags, but you can always improve safety, so that's what Saab did with the 9-3SS.
"Fair points on AWD & snow tires. We agree. My point is, people reacted negatively to the fact that he wanted an AWD vehicle. Why? I've driven a CR-V in the snow, and I gotta tell you it beats the living crap out of my 9-5 (all seasons on both)."
Yes there is no doubt a 4WD with snows can drive in deeper snow than a 9-5 with snows, but since the 9-5 does perfectly fine in all but the most extreme condition, there's really very little need for AWD. Instead you get longer brake length and poorer handling. I would like to see AWD on the 9-5, but if you have to get all the negative
"As for the "bottom line" being that MDXs aren't safer than the 9-5, well I just don't think we can definitively state that."
Yes we most definitely can. We've established that the 9-5 has much better active safety, and that the MDX doesn't have better passive safety. So overall I don't see how the MDX can be safer than the 9-5.
"The MDX is the top rated midsize luxury SUV, the 9-5 is the top rated midsize luxury sedan. SUVs tend to fair better (as someone else posted) overall, so make your own decision."
No, SUVs only tend to do better when crashing into smaller cars and using them as extended crumble zones. This is offset by the fact that there are so many of them on the road that they are starting to crash into eachother, plus the fact that the risk of rollovers and single vehicle accidents is much higher than for cars.
"But please don't feel the need to rip on some guy who happened to make a different one than you."
I'm not ripping into him because he made a different choice than me, I'm responding to claims that are not rooted in fact. The myth that SUVs are safer than cars (it must be safer when you sit higher, right?) is responsible for some pretty big traffical and environmental problems you guys are having now. I see how it might look like a fierce attack on him, but it's really not. I wouldn't have written anything if he had said he just wanted an SUV because he liked it.
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