Sorry to say, the problem is the manual transmissions. those who like to shift just do not want to believe that ther is a better way to do things, but the fact is that just about all of the modern electronics that control an engine's fuel , ignition, and subsequently control things like traction and skid control, ESP, TCS, ABS, you name it,are predicated on having an automatic transmission in the loop. Iti s a bitter pill to swallow, but the fact is that shifting the gears on your own is like having the very best carbueretor. We are now in a fuel injected world. The newest generations of paddle shifted electro-hydraulic transmissions will eliminate the conventional manual from many manufacturer's lineup since it can work as both a manual or an automatic transmission, there by allowing a car maker to build just ONE model where they now build two. It is also superior to both of the conventional manuals and planetary gearset automatics on the market today. Anyone who has driven a BMW M-3 with the SMG transmission can attest to this. The 9-3X and 9-X both have similar transmissons. The handwriting is on the wall for the manual gearbox and clutch.All of the so called abberatons that you mentioned about seeing the RPM go up, or fail to go down quickly go away with this new design. The engine electronics work in conjunction with the gearbox and electronically match the rpm to the next selected gear,which minuimises clutch wear, and gives you the fastest shift. Why would you want to push a clutch and move a gear lever if you can have the electronics do it for you?

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• idle rev b/t manual shifting, crispin, Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:25:08
  • Re: idle rev b/t manual shifting, Douglas, Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:36:13
  • Re: SMG, John Stedman, Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:22:11
  • Problem with modern drive-by-wire design, T Randell, Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:23:47
    • Problem is not the drive by wire or the electronics, Lou, Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:23:54 <-- Viewing This Message
      • Just how do you do a heal-toe down-shift with automatic, J, Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:56:43
        • Do not understand your thoughts on this, Lou, Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:49:23
      • Is Lou right ? Manual trannies doomed?, Charles, Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:55:43
        • Re: Is Lou right ? Manual trannies doomed?, Lou, Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:17:51
        • nah..., Jason 0W-40, Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:34:52
          • Re: Let's face it..., AeroLady, Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:40:16
            • Re: Let's face it..., Lou, Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:48:14
              • Re: Let's face it..., AeroLady, Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:48:55
                • Yes I did, Lou, Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:25:43
                  • My stick shift Aero gets 33-34 mpg hwy. Touche!! (n/m), Jason 0W-40, Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:53:02
            • high five to ya, AeroLady! :-) (n/m), Jason 0W-40, Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:26:37
              • Re: Thanks Jason! n/m, AeroLady, Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:43:42
              • Keep high fiving, Lou, Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:50:40
                • Fingertips, John Stedman, Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:38:53
                  • Shifting while cornering?, Lou, Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:13:59
      • Because I enjoy it!!! (n/m), T Randell, Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:06:09
      • disagree with that-problem is NOT transmission choice, Jason 0W-40, Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:27:17
        • Think you missed my point, Lou, Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:53:35
          • Re: Think you missed my point, Jason 0W-40, Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:09:37
          • Lou, WTF are you talking about???, John Stedman, Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:14:21
            • Re: Lou, WTF are you talking about???, Lou, Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:53:01
      • Are the Trionic 7 and Holley 750 compatible?, bRAD, Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:33:26
  • I noticed the same thing, but..., Ivan, Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:08:36
  • "They all do that", Stephen Goldberger, Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:49:46
    • Thank You Stephen, Brooks G, Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:29:47
  • Re: idle rev b/t manual shifting, jokikeke, Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:42:06
  • Actually, its a good way to SAVE your clutch, bRAD, Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:08:56
  • Re: idle rev b/t manual shifting, sonett43, Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:39:50

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