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"Your logic is a trainwreck. All you do is attack and move forward, making wrong statement after wrong statement."
At leat I will stand behind my words, unlike you for instance who has made numerous dfferent assumpitions among the way. I dont claim that I now the sytem from top to bottom, but I at lest understand the basics, which I believe you still dont understand.
"You've provoked me enough and I will post my data---not that I have to anyway because you've just said that you're not an expert."
About time you finally realize an important fact! You have claimed from the very beginning that your car will prove your statems. I only have to wonder why in the earth you chose to write bs for tens of post with out realizing what the words " to prove" really mean. In real life if somebody ask you for instance can you long jump 18ft? Will you argue with him about every single detail like weather, track suface traction ans, or will you just jump and prove your point. Why could you not show your cards from the very beginning? To tell me that I did not ask.
"You can keep beating your chest for a little while because I'm travelling today and tomorrow but I will post a run or two when I get back. What time scale would you like?"
You dont scare me with this. If I were you I would think hard and long about your trap speed and the fact that your car barely (or was little) made more hp than a stock viggen in a same dyno the very same day. You are trying to "push" the impression that you know all this stuff, but do you actually? A man with your "intelligance" shold know the meaning of trap speed, or do I need to bend it from barb wire? Why did you not comment any more about this issue. First you tried the weather conditions, this is a normal reactions when you know that your time sucs compared to the bhp you claim that your car puts down. Run into a dead end there? So think again does the claimed (ok PORSCHE shop) dyno readings really match with your results? You are smart enough....
"So now all of a sudden you're NOT an expert? If you're not an expert than what makes you qualified to say what will and what won't work in regards to T7? Your nice personality maybe? Your ability to logically process data and have a discussion in English that makes sense?"
It is more likely that it wont, thats all what matters. Read my previous post about why I wrote this topic in the first place.
"What you have offered here is your opinion that isn't based-upon fact. Further, your opinion is not based-upon any real expertise. What do you think about that--and don't start blabbing again about the instances where you've seen problems, because that's not the real issue is it?"
Like i said I know pretty many examples where the power gain is negative, or the behaviour of the car is bizzare. I dont see you providing much usable data.
"You insist that you have something to teach everyone, but yet you're not an expert. Assume for a second what will happen when I post O2 and boost data that doesn't show what you expect to see. What will you say then? You will say the data is no good? "
And what are you doing? Proving that a 280bhp car runs low trap speeds compared to the output. Post what ever data you have, airmass and ignition would be nice also. I can wait ower x-mas since you dont have the needed equipment yet. Like earlier think before you post, "how do I make these fiqures match with the 280bhp output.
"Are you an expert in T7 control Vigge? You answered that yourself and the answer is a resounding NO. Is Vigge a T7 expert?"
Do you at least understand the basic, I think we all know the anser...
Where does this get us. You can make fun of me all that you like, I dont care, it only tells the rest of us who you really are.
"What I have in my driveway is a car that disproves what you've written."
Lets see the results. Dont look to good for you with the trap speed and dyno comparison to stock viggen.
"And yes, you have been acting like an expert when in the real world you are not. If you don't understand the word "acting", find someone who does."
I understand fine and clear what acting mens. I could say you are acting like a man who owns a 280bhp car. Did I use the word acting right?
"You've turned the whole discussion into a joke."
I think you have managed to do this all on your own. I dont make "low life" comments about you, like you do about me, I could but whats the point. It does not lead the conversation nowhere. Like I wrote in my previous post all eyes are on your car at the moment. Dont turn this conversation on me, my english skills or any other topic that has nothing to do with cars and this whole conversation.
"But maybe you can still learn something that might be worthwhile to you personally and also to anyone who is subjected to your useless and non-objective bantering, that lesson you need to learn is this: You're not a T7 expert, you're an end user, and because of that you're not qualifed to make generalized statements about the complex inner-workings of T7. Does that make sense to you?"
About the battering, you made it very hard to get the data and now its coming. Did you ever think that we never would have come this far if you would have provided us with the data that you have? I believe there is an old saying in the states "....dont make fun of a mans automobile", it sure worked this time and lead to the fact that you will after all post our data, even though you said you where not going to comment this tread anymore.
I'm an end user alright but I think I m titled as much to make statement like this than a tuning shop who are making generalized statements about power adding products based on one case. Again read the original objective of this tread from my previous posts.
posted by 81.197.20...
, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:24:44, Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:34:12
, Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:54:30
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