John said >> I went to BARs webite . Looked for any technical white papers...ASME, ASTM, ANSI, etc. testing-technical data....

Hey guys, I do searches of this nature myself to research products, but failing to find it on a manufacturer's website isn't a tragedy nor a deterent if other info is available. Try to research synthetic oil, for example. It is amazing what you won't find, like evidence to support manufacturers' claims. Check out the Mobil 1 site and try to find white papers or comparative tests on their oil versus other brands--and it is the same for all others I checked out except Royal Purple, who have such tests available if you dig deep enough. After that I searched their site for any reference to ATSM or ANSI: Zilch, nada. But this does not mean Mobil 1 is a bad product, and I think everyone will agree that it is quite the contrary based on their ~30-year production history, if nothing else. FWIW, BL has been on the market since 1947 and is the world's #1 stop-leak formula.

Because I find nothing on the BL and Mobil sites, should I then conclude that I should not use the product? Has it occurred to you that there might be tests that have been conducted and standards met which are not shown on their website or otherwise posted on the 'Net? I will call BL Monday and ask. Stay tuned.

I haven't seen you or another detractor address the fact that many OEM's install this product in their new vehicles. Bar's Leaks claims that 75% of all vehicles manufactured install it at their respective factories. Don't you feel the engineers and bean counters have a reason for imposing this added expense to their assembly line? To me, that and the Suzuki motorcycle requirement (mentioned earlier) was sufficient evidence to begin using the product. You guys are casting a blind eye to the obvious.


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• Running hotter after adding Bars Leaks!!, Rod'899kT, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:44:49
  • No, not here, Bob Davis, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:56:28
    • Re: No, not here, Clayton Parks, Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:28:51
  • Re: Running hotter after adding Bars Leaks!!, Quasi, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:02:11
    • Re: Running hotter after adding Bars Leaks!!, Rod'899kT, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:29:41
      • Running hotter, Bob Davis, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:23:22
  • Re: Running hotter after adding Bars Leaks!!, Stephen, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:14:51
    • Bull butter, Bob Davis, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:05:56
      • I did that search..., BillJ, Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:45:42
        • More..., Bob Davis, Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:10:02
          • The upshot of my argument is..., BillJ, Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:39:53
    • Bars is a "band aid" that makes cuts worse!!!, John, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:04:21
      • Wrong, John, Bob Davis, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:36:02
        • How many total hours of empircal experience do you have, John, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:45:12
          • Well, that's cool, but ..., Quasi, Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:22:18
            • BARs used late in life on high miles is my concern, John, Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:59:47
              • Quasi: 0 head gaskets, John: 3; what more proof ..., Quasi, Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:24:25
                • Searched For ASTM & ANSI Re:BARs-no hits, John, Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:24:05
                  • Dear John and BillJ..., Bob Davis, Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:18:30 <-- Viewing This Message
                    • Mobil 1 is SAE certified. Not untested like BARs, John, Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:18:25
                    • That's what we need, BillJ, Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:42:14
                  • OK, so call it anecdotal evidence, Quasi, Sun, 25 Aug 2002 00:17:36
                    • Re: OK, so call it anecdotal evidence, SAABTECH , Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:26:13
                      • Re: OK, so call it anecdotal evidence, BillJ, Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:18:02
                        • Re: OK, so call it anecdotal evidence, SAABTECH , Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:46:17
                    • More anecdotal evidence..., BillJ, Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:01:05
                    • Insufficient sample size/No Test Data, John, Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:45:46
                • Thanks for posting that list..., Bob Davis, Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:40:57
              • Okay, some hopefully practical points...., Bob Davis, Sat, 24 Aug 2002 20:50:37
                • Drat, did not finish last reply!!!, Bob Davis, Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:18:33
          • More..., Bob Davis, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:55:19
      • Well, of course!, Quasi, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:14:59
      • Flush first, then add BL ?, SaabKen, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:13:37
    • Cobby?, Quasi, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:00:07
      • Re: Cobby?, Stephen, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:06:07
        • More bull butter, Bob Davis, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:13:28
        • Cobby is as cobby does, Quasi, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:08:54
          • Re: Cobby is as cobby does, Stephen, Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:39:19

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