The banner above is an advertisment - if it asks you to download software, please ignore.
Site News - 7/1: Members: Log In to See Fewer Ads! | 5/28: SAAB Evolutions/TSN T-Shirts $14
[General | Members | C900 | 9000 | NG900 & OG93 | 93 | 95 | NG95 | 99 | Sonett | Vintage Models | Clubs | Other Cars | FAQs | Gifts | Member Photo Galleries | Member Directory | Classifieds | Manuals | *Buddy Registry | *Mileage Registry | Polls | What's New | Raffle | Photo of the Month | Sponsors]

95 Bulletin Board
1999-2009 [Subscribe to Daily Digest]
(Search Author's Posts: e.g. Keyword:username)*Members Only

[Main 95 Bulletin Board | BBFAQ | Prev by Date | Next by Date | Post Followup ] Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos
Huh ?//Long and bring beer
Like This Post: - Subscribe to Daily Digest for this Bulletin Board
Posted by TG (more from TG) on Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:11:10 Share Post by Email
In Reply to: Dates&stuff - can we just assume all my posts are long?, Greg Netzner, Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:08:40
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:
Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup

My point was short, and I just asked if I had not correctly read the US Mobil 1 PDF date as 10/02. Glad somewhere in there I think you said I did read it right.

I don't "see" the dates you refererence as 6/7 ish or more years old, and was in effect asking you where they were. I don't see them.

Nice to see you keeping count af the 12 oils, which is kind of what I did at the 3 largest chain outlets in the Western Michigan Area.

Autozone carries the 0W-40 Mobil 1, plus most/all Mobil 1 other products.

Wal-Mart, HERE, has the Shell 5W-40 ACEA A3 in limited supply --like 6 bottles left(buried under the dust bunnies on the shelf).

Meijer--- has notta ACEA A3 any oil.

Target (or Tarjay) carries 5W-30 and 10W-30 Mobil 1--but notta A3 oil.

K-Mart, well they have their own frustrations--like survival to concern them.

What I was attempting to get you to to see in my posting, is perhaps the beginnings of why SAAB is servicing their cars with SJ oils,-----as other sources now are beginning to shed some more light on the general commercial lack of ACEA A3 oils ( compared to A1/A5) and offer USA equavlences.

What is in its infancy in terms of quantity, is that there is information from sources who admit that ACEA oils are primarily available in EUROPE--What a surprise, huh? and the USA driver can substitute "high quality synthetic oil with API SJ or greater" as one source puts it, and another source says that 229.3 spec = A3 = SJ only if their own brand oil is not available (of course).

I think more information will emerge along these lines over the next year or two.--But I thought you'd find it at least a little bit interesting.

Now, IF THIS IS TRUE, and this is a reach on my part---now we might POSSIBLY (BUT NOT ABSOLUTELY) see why SAAB and its dealer network worldwide is using Mobil 1 full synthetic SJ when SAAB's own spec is A3.

Not trying to "beat anybody up". But this "ACAE oilfever" on this BB way way overdone IMHO, and a calmer period of rationalization and analysis is appropriate.

Now to GMM-LL-A-025. It is a spec on duration, and not "economy". Making oil changes in the 2003 9-3 SS as an "intermediate service" interval.

Quoting SAAB's bulletin:
"It is important to realize that this computation is based on the use of fully synthetic oil which meets GM-LL-A-025 specification. This is a specification that is not commonly found in the US. The only 2 oils that are readily available that meet this specification are Mobil 1 0W-40 and SAAB 0W-30 Turbo Long-Life Synthetic oil.

"If an oil of lesser quality is used, the algorithm will be incorrect, and severe engine problems may occur"

End quote. per Saab USA dealer bulletin dated 12/2/2002.

Now------

MORE INFO

Same bulletin, BUT now pertaining to the 2003 9-5, and 2003 9-3 CV ( which for our readers is still the "old" style 9-3)

Service Intervals/Requirements: Requires Semi-Synthetic oil whic meets ACEA A3/B3, API SJ specification or higher.

Quoting:
For 2003, the 9-5 and 9-3 Convertible requirements remain the same as for 2002.
Oil changes are REQUIRED every 10,000 miles under NORMAL driving conditions.

("Required" and "Normal" are bolded on my behalf--not SAAB's)
"Oil requirements remain the same at either semi-synthetic or full synthetic. For the purposes of SAAB included maintenance, only semi-synthetic should be used"

Translation : We're only reimbursing your dealership for semi-synthetic costs in "inclusive service"

And finally:
(I think Jason knew I was not beating him up) at least I hope so.

posted by 66.227.17...
Posts in this Thread:
Alert me when someone posts in this thread:
Members do not see ads below this line. - Help Keep This Site Online - Signup
Post a Followup

No Site Registration is Required to Post - Site Membership is optional (Member Features List), but helps to keep the site online
for all Saabers. If the site helps you, please consider helping the site by becoming a member.

Name: Member Login / Signup - Members see fewer ads. - Latest Member Gallery Photos
E-Mail: (Optional)
Re-Enter E-Mail: (Confidential & Secure - Not revealed to other users!)
Note: Please check your spam folder for BB responses.

Subject:

Posting rules are simple - No for sale/wanted ads may be posted here - use the site classifieds.
You may not cross-post your message to multiple BBs.
Not permitted: political/religious topics and being disrespectful (personal attacks, insults, etc...).
 Site Members do not see any red text, inline ad links, bottom of page anchor ads, box ads, or anti-spam check.

Message: (please no for sale/wanted classifieds - post those in the Saabnet.com Classifieds)
Links are now automatically made active, no need for any special code (or use the Option Link field below) - don't put links in () or end with a '.'
To add inline images to your post, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] (or use the Optional Image Link field below).

Links are now automatically made active, no need for any special code (or use the Option Link field below) - don't put links in () or end with a '.'
To add inline images to your post above, use [img]http://www.domain.com/img.jpg[endimg] (or use the Optional Image Link field below).
Optional Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/)
Link Title: (Optional)
Optional Photo/Image Link: (e.g. http://www.saabnet.com/img.jpg)
Photo/Image to Upload: (Please be patient while file uploads)



StateOfNine.com
SaabClub.com
Jak Stoll Performance
M Car Covers
Ad Available

The content on this site may not be republished without permission. Copyright © 1988-2024 - The Saab Network - saabnet.com.
For usage guidelines, see the Mission & Privacy Notice.
[Contact | Site Map | Saabnet.com on Facebook | Saabnet.com on Twitter | Shop Amazon via TSN | Site Donations]

Random Saabnet.com Member Gallery Photos (Click Image)
This is a moderated bulletin board - Posting is a privilege, not a right. Unsolicited commercial postings are not allowed (no spam). Please, no For Sale or Wanted postings, SERIOUSLY. Classifieds are to be listed in The Saab Network Classifieds pages. This is a problem solving forum for over 250,000 Saab owners, so expect to see problems discussed here even though our cars are generally very reliable. This is not an anything goes type of forum. Saabnet.com has been a moderated forum since 1988. For usage guidelines, see the Saabnet.com Mission and Purpose Page. Please remember that you are not anonymous. Site Contact | Site Donations | Other Sites by SP - Poverty2Prosperity.org | Run Club Menlo Park | ScreenBot


Site Members do not see red text instructions, bottom of the page anchor ads, or box ads.
Click here to see all the Site Membership Benefits!